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The magic struck, but...

Joined Jul 2019
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Germany
I am absolutely not sure if I should give into the urge.

My Name is Marius and I am about to finish my (moto)drivers license.
I was visiting a Ducati dealership the other day and I immediately fell in love with the new Hypermotard. But since the budget is slim and I am keen on touring a little more, I decided to search for a 2013-2016 Hyperstrada 821.

I am super convinced that I will have some great time on the bike but a couple of questions arose...

I am 192cm, 27 years old and I am not sure if the bike is "suited" for my size. Could this be a problem?
And weirdly enough, all the bikes jn Germany seem to be sold at 16.000 to 20.000 km on their back - is this the time when thinks need repairs?

There seems to be only a bit of motivation I do need to finally join the pack... Is anyone willing to provide that to me?

Kind regards,

Marius
 
They are not cheap to own if you don't do maintenance yourself. Timing belts every 5 years or 18, 000 miles. Heed the 5 year limit, I just changed mine after 5 years and they were worn. Cost around $600USD for that service. The 2013 has a suspect starter, you can get aftermarket starter that is better but the job to replace it is quit involved, another $600 or more to have the job done.
Having said that, the Hyperstrada is a riot to ride, plenty of power and the ride modes and traction control gives you lots of options, and ABS might save you from a crash. I'm rather new to ownership but pretty smitten with the bike.
I don't know what 192cm equals but I'm 5'10" and it fits me perfect. I like the size and weight of it, I've had bigger bikes, Guzzi's and a Buell Uly. Don't miss the extra weight and height of those now that I'm older.
 
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Don't expect a dramatic touring experience over the standard Motard. You get a windscreen, some luggage, power ports and a bigger generator. It will ride very similar to the Motard, possibly worse if you were on an SP. If you're taller than 5'10", expect a lot of wind on the shoulders and forehead.

However, even if I was 6' tall, I'd still own one. The svelte motard experience is intoxicating. If you're looking for a great touring bike, this ain't it, Chief. If you want to slide around corners and scare the old lady holding grocery bags on the sidewalk, and maybe take it on some extended highway trips, it's perfect.
 
I've toured quite happily on my 2018 Hypermotard SP. Note that the brand new Hypers have a lighter subframe, so you'd not be able to carry as much on the tail. That said, I prefer to travel light as the point of touring is 50% the journey and 50% the roads along which that journey takes me, so keeping the bike nimble makes the trip more fun.
 
I was attempting to point out that the SP's have much better suspension. When I think of touring, I expect a comfortable and stable ride at 90mph. Mine just isn't fun to drive those speeds for extended periods. Lot's of wind on the shoulders and the front end gets too light with the bags on.
 
Thank you so much for your replies!
Sorry for the metrics; I am 6'3". And I am totally in for "take it on some extended highway trips". I do not plan to ride week-long tours, rather focus on having fun weekends on the bike.
Based on the inputs above, I will check for a 821 built after 2013; with ideally way less than 18k miles on their back (a lot of offers here are around 10k-12k miles, so there should be some room to have fun with, before going for the 18k mile check).

The newer models come with a hefty price-tag, so I suppose I will keep looking for a 2014-2016 Strada :)
 
6'3" 235lbs here. Maybe I dunno what I a missing but I found the SP (properly setup for me by a professional) fine up to an indicated 130mph and it cruised at a steady 90mph on backroads in Utah and Colorado comfortably. A multistrada would of course do better, but I prefer light bikes. It's excellent for weekend overnight trips or even just long days out and back. One good thing about the latest bike, the 950 motor is supposed to run better than the 939 and the base model has adjustable suspension front and rear so you can get that without needing the SP.
 
I had to install a steering damper to keep the front end steady above 85 mph. The luggage, especially when loaded, causes a lot of drag and makes the front end dangerously light near the 100 mark. Without the bags, I can pin to redline in 6th with reasonable stability.

I'm 5'9", 190 lbs. I don't have the widest shoulders but even with the touring screen my shoulders get pounded by the air blast at speed. I'm not saying it's not capable, but a purpose built sport tourer with full fairings and giant screen (Multi, GS, Duke, etc.) will be more comfortable at the speeds I desire to cover large amounts of asphalt at.

The Strada is clearly more "Adventrure" than "Touring".
 
For your first bike, I'd recommend something you can drop a few times. Yes, ABS is probably a great addition, but unless you are a fast learner, it'll take a good 1-3 years before a new rider knows what they want from a bike, and in all honesty, that's being generous and no offense meant.

Riding a bike properly day in and day out is one of the most difficult things to learn and apply consistently. The drops usually occur during slow speed maneuvers and it's mainly due to a lack of proper clutch/throttle application and visual skills.

High speed turn crashes are usually a byproduct of poor visual skills combined with a lack of proper coutersteering application. Unless a rider just goes in way too hot, and without the aforementioned skills, it's masked as a speed related crash, but if the rider has good visual and coutnersteering skills, most of the time, they would make the turn, even at a faster speed. Not discounting body position for both items above.

If a rider is concerned about dropping their bike, sometimes that may keep them from trying tight u-turns, emergency braking etc. Those are life saving skills that should not be avoided due to fear of scratching your new baby.

Sorry to be a party-pooper;), we want you to enjoy your riding life, the kind of bike you ride is far less important than building up good skill-sets, and knowing exactly what you want from a bike and why, which comes from experience and continuing rider education ihmo. I'm not suggesting you purchase a hunk of junk, just providing some food for thought from my own experience and the many mistakes I've made.

Welcome aboard!
 
I had to install a steering damper to keep the front end steady above 85 mph. The luggage, especially when loaded, causes a lot of drag and makes the front end dangerously light near the 100 mark. Without the bags, I can pin to redline in 6th with reasonable stability.

I'm 5'9", 190 lbs. I don't have the widest shoulders but even with the touring screen my shoulders get pounded by the air blast at speed. I'm not saying it's not capable, but a purpose built sport tourer with full fairings and giant screen (Multi, GS, Duke, etc.) will be more comfortable at the speeds I desire to cover large amounts of asphalt at.

The Strada is clearly more "Adventrure" than "Touring".


Curious what damper setup you went with and how much of a difference it really made? I have the EXACT same issue. Bike is rock solid stable up to around 80-85. Anything above that and the front end starts to get very light and that's with the bags on. It isn't quite as bad without them. I'm only 5'7" 150lbs geared up. I was thinking it might be a suspension issue but I really don't want to mess with that as it really soaks up the bumps when I'm truckin it thru the corners. I guess it might be time to price out a Mupo or Andreani setup & install cost at my local shop. Going in for service next week so I'll have to ask.
 
Curious what damper setup you went with and how much of a difference it really made? I have the EXACT same issue. Bike is rock solid stable up to around 80-85. Anything above that and the front end starts to get very light and that's with the bags on. It isn't quite as bad without them. I'm only 5'7" 150lbs geared up. I was thinking it might be a suspension issue but I really don't want to mess with that as it really soaks up the bumps when I'm truckin it thru the corners. I guess it might be time to price out a Mupo or Andreani setup & install cost at my local shop. Going in for service next week so I'll have to ask.

It's just the giant dirty bags causing drag. I have the Ohlins rod type damper set to max stiffness. That and Andreani's helped a lot but, you can only fight aerodynamics so much. I typically carry 10 lbs of gear, which doesn't help matters.

Bags off and leaned forward it's as stable as can be all the way to Vmax. It's a motard with a pretty dirty front end. Compare it to a sport touring bikes front end and it's pretty obvious why it gets sketchy near triple digits.
 
It's just the giant dirty bags causing drag. I have the Ohlins rod type damper set to max stiffness. That and Andreani's helped a lot but, you can only fight aerodynamics so much. I typically carry 10 lbs of gear, which doesn't help matters.

Bags off and leaned forward it's as stable as can be all the way to Vmax. It's a motard with a pretty dirty front end. Compare it to a sport touring bikes front end and it's pretty obvious why it gets sketchy near triple digits.

Maybe I will have to do the suspension, hmmm. Did you use the Ducabike damper mount? I don't know of any others that will work on the Hyper.
 
Yup. The DB mount and rod-piston type is the only option for a damper. There's a few options on make, but they seemed sketchy compared to the Ohlins. I think Ballisimoto was a popular option. I always liked the Scott's steering head damper style but they didn't make one.
 
Steering damper may help with the bikes shake/wobble in triple digits but it won't solve it, leaning on the front helps but in the end there's not enough weight and/or down force to plant it at higher speeds, I try to keep it under 100, it's a little brutal without wind protection anyway, this bike is not made for top speed or highways, it's made for mountain roads, there it is at home...
 
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Steering damper may help with the bikes shake/wobble in triple digits but it won't solve it, leaning on the front helps but in the end there's not enough weight and/or down force plant it at higher speeds, I try to keep it under 100, it's a little brutal without wind protection anyway, this bike is not make for top speed or highways, it's made for mountain roads, there it is at home...

No doubt, I couldn't agree more. I try my best to keep it under 100 as well lol. I'm mainly looking for something to quell the headshake that happens usually when I'm hard on the gas trying to make a pass. Seems like a damper would be a good place to start rather than spending $1500-2000 on a suspension overhaul.
 
Yup. The DB mount and rod-piston type is the only option for a damper. There's a few options on make, but they seemed sketchy compared to the Ohlins. I think Ballisimoto was a popular option. I always liked the Scott's steering head damper style but they didn't make one.

Was the install pretty straightforward? I put a rotary damper on my Tiger and it was kind of a pain to install. Had to drill out the "tamper resistant" bolts that held the ignition to the triples and while I got it done it wasn't the easiest thing to do.
 
Damper is a very smart mod. Rock solid below 90. I have it set to max dampening and I can still maneuver easily at lower speeds.

****** part about the install is removing the ignition cover. It's obviously difficult for security reasons. It's got one time use bolts that you pretty much destroy to remove but the DB mount comes with longer replacements. I remember needing good vice grips to hold the bolts as there is no wrench or hex fitting on the bottom. I did add a rubber O-ring to one of the pivot mounts as it seamed kinda loose without. A couple 1/4"-3/8" O-rings will do the trick.
 
Damper is a very smart mod. Rock solid below 90. I have it set to max dampening and I can still maneuver easily at lower speeds.

****** part about the install is removing the ignition cover. It's obviously difficult for security reasons. It's got one time use bolts that you pretty much destroy to remove but the DB mount comes with longer replacements. I remember needing good vice grips to hold the bolts as there is no wrench or hex fitting on the bottom. I did add a rubber O-ring to one of the pivot mounts as it seamed kinda loose without. A couple 1/4"-3/8" O-rings will do the trick.

Yeah removing the "one time use" bolts on the Tiger was a serious pain. If I remember right I slotted them with a dremel and then used a large flat blade to get them out. That worked fine for 1 but the other was so difficult I stripped out the slot and almost gave up and took it to the dealer. Decided to try again and put a second slot in it, tapped the screwdriver with a hammer as I turned it with a wrench and managed to get the screw out. I think the loctite they used on those things was the issue.

Looks like the Ducabike kit with the damper included is around $670. That's a hefty chunk of change. Might have to wait for Christmas for that one LOL.