weight

The panniers claim that the max weight is 5 Kg per. Does this include the weight of the pannier or not. Who has loaded the stock ones the heaviest?

I'm looking to replace my supermoto with either the Hypermotard or the Hyperstrada, but I have a bunch of nagging questions after test riding the two. The stock Hypermotard is a touch too tall for me 5'7" and ~30" inseam, while the Hyperstrada felt just about right. I know the Hyperstrada...