Neutral problem clutch fluid pressure

Dont bother with the spec cable free play, take it up a little more and check the bite point of the clutch isn't too close to the bar and try that.

The 821 does not have a threaded dowel with locking nut. It is a ball on spring on bolt design(bottom assembly in my pic). You issue should be resolved with adjusting the cable as mentalist mentioned. You can feel the point that the lever makes contact with the clutch itsself. Make that slop/play smaller.

bazbo said:

This is not related to the hydraulic clutch, it's to do with the oil pressure in the clutch itself, not the method of actuation. The document has nothing to do with hydraulic clutches.

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There is no oil pressure on the 821 clutch, it's just a wet clutch design, basically sitting in an oil bath, it's mechanically operated.
We are trying to help you out here.
If your struggling with the bike running but ok when engine is off, it's most probably the clutch not fully disengaged.

We are trying to help you out. If you have genuine questions maby you should have less of an attitude. The pic I posted is from my bike, a 2013 821 that had extensive wet clutch mods then ultimately switched to a dry clutch(both cable actuated and hydraulically actuated)I did read the link you sent. The 821 DOES NOT have an adjustable screw. It has exactly what I showed in the pic. I replaced mine with a block off limiting screw taken from an 848 dry clutch conversion.

As the mentalist mentioned, it is an OIL BATH clutch. Nobody mentioned "hydraulic actuation" The oil empty into the center of the clutch and flings outward. Pressure here does not have an effect on whether or not it can find neutral. Simply put, you dont have the engagement set properly. You have too much slack. Fix this and fix your issue.

Let's get more in depth to your little clip you posted. The 2013 late 2014(early 15) bike used an external oil pump the same as what was in the classic ducati motors. 2015+ they cast that pump into the engine case. At this point they needed to adjust the amount of oil pushing through the clutch output shaft and added the adjustable pressure regulator(as pictured in your little clip). You bike is an 821, this oil pressure has no affect on your clutch fully disengaging.

Another thing to note, do you have the judder spring kit? The early 821 did not include this. There is a kit out there to help with engagement and disengagement....but this is also not your problem. You problem is the slack in your clutch cable. All of this is easily found using the search feature. (Surprised noone has mentioned that. Years ago people here used to love to say that).

bazbo said:

sorry guys not trying to have an attitude and i do appreciate the help. The ducati mechanic does sound like he knows his stuff hence my questions. Problem with taking more slack out is that it moves the lever too far away from the handlebar for my small hands! I do have the bike booked in with the mechanic next week but i am now wondering if it's worth it.....

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No worries,
Will cost nothing to try what we have suggested and there are adjustable levers that don't cost a fortune if you need to adjust the span.
These bikes are renowned for clutch issues due to incorrect adjustment, they are very sensitive to being out a little and need regular adjustment as they wear.
I've been a time served mechanic for over 35 years and been riding bikes longer. I've got over 30k miles on my hyperstrada and know when it needs the cable adjusting. It causes the issues your having.

This is taken from the workshop manual

Looks like an oil pressure relief valve, just controls oil pressure, if it gets too high it relieves through there. Nothing to do with the clutch

Stop looking and reading that service built-in, it's regarding adjusting the pressure for hydraulic operated clutch, we don't have that fitted. The latest hypers do, but we don't. The translation or English isn't quite correct either. I can see where your getting confused when it says oil pressure. It should read clutch fluid pressure, but are bikes DONT have clutch fluid nor oil operated. Sort the cable out....

That ball and spring set up does what mentalist said. At idle and low rpm the oil pump doesnt want to waste oil pressure going to the clutch, it's not needing any lubrication. As rpm rises the oil pressure builds and compresses the spring which opens up the oil from to the wet clutch.

Mentalist is referring to the hydraulically actuated clutch. The stock 821/939 have a cable actuated clutch. The multistrada and monsters (most) use a hydraulic actuated clutch consisting of master cylinder and slave cylinder which pushes a rod down that shaft in the center of the clutch(the one that we are talking about limiting oil down with that article you have.

They also changed the clutch on the 15+ bikes. The pull pin is different which is why they mention it in the link. I believe the pin recesses into the output shaft (the same shaft that the other bikes use with the push rod setup).

I believe your issue is the cable.

Buy a cheap set of levers (amazon $30)and adjust almost all of the slack out of the cable and you will have the result you are looking for. The adjustable lever will move the lever inward while the slack is gone. I have used many levers including the cheap Amazon levers, RSC ezpull stunt set up, rizoma on the cable set up and there is definitely a sweet spot. When I switched to hydraulic all the attention needed was gone. Hydraulic adjusts itsself to constant positioning

The bulletin is for adjusting oil pressure, with a hydraulic operated clutch bike.
See attached from your bulletin. Referring to the later 939 which is hydraulic. The monster 821 was hydraulic. Is yours hydraulic NO.

I'm done sorry.