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PSA - Cracked Header Pipe

Joined Mar 2013
3K Posts | 161+
Naples, IT
Little PSA to check those header and exhaust pipes. There's been other instances, usually weld seam cracks. I was removing the heat shield and felt some wiggle. Mount for heat shield on rear cylinder header pipe broke off with very little force. You can see from the smoke witness mark under the shield, it was already cracked.

This explains a lot. For maybe 6K miles now, I could hear an odd metal-on-metal rattle from this area on cold starts. Went away very shortly after getting to temp. On another thread, I mentioned a puff of smoke coming from under the saddle and wondered if I'd torched a cylinder or blown a gasket. Also, very rough idle, strong engine braking and rpm hunting at idle (after highway runs). These last issues may be related to secondary air issue I have.

The mounts for the heat shield corrode very quickly. This pipe is the only OEM section left as I have full Akra header/ pipe. I think I'm going to ditch the heat shield entirely but would like to know what you guys think about running no shield. My biggest concern would be the fuel pump and lines close by, maybe the electronics under the seat. Not really worried about roasting my ***.
 

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This rear cyl head pipe is cr*p. It's one of the biggest complaints for 821 owners here in Brazil (maybe bikes here run a lot hotter). I'd try to weld the heat shield back in place because fuel pump is very close to his pipe. That pipe can get incandescent, so I'd worry about it roasting the parts around.
 
Pretty sure it's the only one that people complained of cracking. This is a bit different but the metal looks brittle in general.
 
Good to know, I'll have to check mine. I'm sure 24k and bumpy backroads haven't done it any favors. It definitely runs hot and I've noticed the carbon tip on my Termi pipe is starting to discolor, I've check it a few times during rides and it gets really hot so I suspect the carbon will delaminate eventually.
 
Same thing happened on mine but a crack, not the heat shield mounts. I would absolutely keep the heat shield in place or risk melting a lot of plastic stuff.
 
My rear cracked as well. Looks like it started at the weld for the heat shield. I picked up headers from a 939 to replace the rear. Come to find out the O2 sensor between the bikes is in slightly different locations on the rear. I'm still running it thought. Came with the 939 heat shield too. Couple things to prevent this in the future. Make sure the slip fittings are actually slipping. This is why they are on springs. If the 2 headers are locked together and they need to move(they do move theoght heat expansion) thing will find the weakest point and flex there. Another thing to help prevent, make sure you are using using the shoulder bolts on the heat shield. The allows the heat shield itsself the ability to let things move around. As a side note I have seen guys on the V4 groups using the copper high heat antiseize on the slip fittings to make sure everything keeps it's ability to slide.

On the 939, the front header was cracked. Seller didn't know . I mentioned it and he was willing to work with me on the price after I recieved it but I wasn't going to use it anyway so it didn't matter. One other thing to note, while the 939 and 821 have different rear headers the 939 and the 821 have identical front headers.
 
Kuk, Tim, great info. My biggest hurdle will be getting a replacement - in Italy, mind you - in a timely manner. This was supposed to be 2 days of hard work to get the ***** back on the road and enjoy some great weather. Couple Q's:

Q: Any alternative to the joint compound for the header-to-exhaust flanges? I don't have any left from my Akra install and not it will be hard to locate on the economy.
Q: Is there a special tool to get that top header 10mm nut off the rear header? There's a frame brace in the way and my 1/4" knuckle wouldn't fit. I barely got it loose with a 10mm box wrench and fear I'll strip it on install.
 
For the alternative to copper antiseize, I'm not sure. There must be something out there that can be used. If the aluminum antiseize is easier to get I would check the temp rating. That might work also.

That nut you are talking about if very dificult to remove. I have this weird gimmick-ey 'as seen on tv' strip of sockets. The opening is a bunch of small teeth. The claim is that the strip of sockets can remove/install any size and shape but out there. On the other end is a hex head to connect a wrench to. The combination of the socket and wrench is very compact. This is what I use. It's still slow going. Make sure to lube the threads on the studs before removing. You don't want to snap any of the rear studs. I snapped 2 of the front studs and it was a pain. I would have had to drop the engine if it happened to the rear .
 
So that's anti-seize you slather around the header-to-exhaust flange?
 
The slip joint where between the swingarm and the engine. The pieces where the Y collector and the piece that gos to the head slide together. Not between the exhaust flange and the head, we are taking about where the tubing all slides together and springs hold them in place.
 
Tracking. When I installed my Akra header, it came with a paste for the Y connection. I just didn't know it was anti-seize. Think it's OK to reuse the gaskets?
 
Reusing the gasket between the pipe and the head will be your call. If you pull it out and it isn't flat(still has it's stamped raised section) then i would reuse it. If it's flat then I would get new.
 
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