Trading Hyperstrada for Multistrada

NurseDaddy · Oct 22, 2014

I am thinking I may trade my 4500 mile 2013 Hyperstrada for a 2013 Multistrada Granturismo with 2500 miles on it.

The hyper and I aren't really happy with one another. My hope is that the larger and more comfy multi, with its semi-active suspension, will be better for the kind of riding that I do - commuting on NYC Metro roads that all manufacturers should use as a vehicle proving grounds before they claim they produce a comfortable ride.

I regret not pushing the dealer when he said "we don't do test rides anymore". Because while the Hyper seemed like all the bike I'd need, what with the screen (that sucked), the bags (that are not made that well), and the power outlets and centerstand (those I appreciate), at 4500 miles I'm not as happy with it as I'd like to be and I probably would have handed back the keys after a test ride and gone with something else.

I took a huge hit on the KTM Duke I traded in. Rolled over the unpaid balance into the deal on the Hyperstrada. Now I'm gonna trade that back in for a used Multi and be in a bigger hole.

Most of what drives me to consider this is the fact that even after I spent so much on the fork upgrades I'm not happy. After 200 miles of ownership I determined very quickly that the ride wasn't gonna be tolerable. When first installed the Andreanis were a huge improvement. But after 4000 miles they're still causing me to compromise on the ride, which is less than optimal for my needs. I've solved the fueling issue for now, but the after spending $890 more on the fork upgrade and a whole lot of time in labor and adjustments, I'm fed up. The bike beats me up. With the lack of wind protection, and the light weight making the bike get tossed around like a toy, I'm getting beat up.

Everything I read about the Multistrada and the sublime ride provided by the DSS semi-active suspension makes me think that the used one for ~$16K is the way to go.

frank33m · Oct 22, 2014

I really have a hard time understanding all the griping about the suspension . I've ridden motorcycles of all types for 47 years . I own 20+ now in all shapes and sizes . I race Flat Track and can get around the track pretty good . I ride my Hyper on pavement and gravel with some pretty deep holes and ruts . I think it works pretty good . I ride 2 up with my wife and to top it all off I probably would top 250# with gear on ! I guess it just different strokes for different folks ??? Good luck on the trade .

gatdammit · Oct 22, 2014

Bummer. I too have Multi dreams but I like this bike for now. Since I moved I mostly just blast around on urban streets and it's great for that.

So...if they aren't giving you any incentive on the Andreani's, wanna sell them?

vincentgurle · Oct 22, 2014

I feel the same as you - this bike is so much fun, but the multi feels like a more powerful distance commute/travel tool than the Hyper (especially if you are 6ft above).

Let me know how your transition goes! I'm wishing you the best of luck with getting a good trade/deal with the new multi.

NurseDaddy · Oct 22, 2014

frank33m said:
I really have a hard time understanding all the griping about the suspension . I've ridden motorcycles of all types for 47 years . I own 20+ now in all shapes and sizes . I race Flat Track and can get around the track pretty good . I ride my Hyper on pavement and gravel with some pretty deep holes and ruts . I think it works pretty good . I ride 2 up with my wife and to top it all off I probably would top 250# with gear on ! I guess it just different strokes for different folks ??? Good luck on the trade .

Frank
Yup. Different strokes for different folks may be it. This trade may happen, or it may end up costing me so much that I need to postpone it and just live with it.

NurseDaddy · Oct 22, 2014

vincentgurle said:
I feel the same as you - this bike is so much fun, but the multi feels like a more powerful distance commute/travel tool than the Hyper (especially if you are 6ft above).

Let me know how your transition goes! I'm wishing you the best of luck with getting a good trade/deal with the new multi.

Vincent, it's fun. No doubt. If all I did was ride smooth roads that led to some smooth twisties on weekends, I'd be satisfied. The reality is I'm commuting. And I'm 6' tall, mostly torso. So I'm a big sail.

I am not sure when I'll get to the dealer to talk about the deal, but I hope it's doable.

NurseDaddy · Oct 22, 2014

gatdammit said:
Bummer. I too have Multi dreams but I like this bike for now. Since I moved I mostly just blast around on urban streets and it's great for that.

So...if they aren't giving you any incentive on the Andreani's, wanna sell them?

You have Multi dreams? Then don't read the reviews on the 2013 Multi with the DSS system. I think it was voted bike of the year by somebody or another.

Where did you move to? Because if you're not that far and I strike a deal, maybe you can ride your Hyper here and I'll swap the fork legs for the stock ones before I trade the bike in.

I dunno. This could be a pipe dream prohibited by ridiculous amounts of money being lost by me but gained by the dealer.

gatdammit · Oct 22, 2014

NurseDaddy said:
You have Multi dreams? Then don't read the reviews on the 2013 Multi with the DSS system. I think it was voted bike of the year by somebody or another.

Where did you move to? Because if you're not that far and I strike a deal, maybe you can ride your Hyper here and I'll swap the fork legs for the stock ones before I trade the bike in.

I dunno. This could be a pipe dream prohibited by ridiculous amounts of money being lost by me but gained by the dealer.

I'm only 5'9" and don't want to ever settle with buying a low version...maybe some pride, but mostly don't like the idea of undercutting performance. So, Multi may be out of my (literal) reach.

I'm in Norfolk, VA. I'm not riding her that far. But, I'd most definitely remove and ship my forks to you for a swap out, for a fair price.

I only suggest this because I know dealers could give two ***** about mods when it comes to value. Been dealing with that sick reality for most of my adult life after dumping tons of time and money into cars. So, why not recoup a little bit of that sunk cost. I've wanted the Andreani's since I first read about them but ain't rich.

And don't be upset about trading up. This is a stepping stone bike for sure. I'm a long haul owner but know it's an entry level model. I think it is a swiss-army knife - master at nothing but good at almost everything. Some owners think it's the cat's *** but, another $5K would have solved most of the gripes we generally have.

gatdammit · Oct 22, 2014

just curious, have you considered the Diavel? I test rode one before I got my Strada and knew immediately that I would own one some day. They kit out pretty good for touring and it's an absolute beast of a motor.

And the dealer not offering test rides is ****. Make me sign the damn waiver and shut your face hole. I wouldn't be in here if I didn't have the money to purchase one.

appliance821 · Oct 22, 2014

I'll put this first in case you don't read the rest. I think you're going the wrong direction for the wrong reason. The Hyper is not a great city bike - it can do it but why bother. The multi will be a pig in NYC - might as well get a Honda Fit.

Here's what you should do - you can thank me later: Keep the hyper for longer trips - out in the loose - man, upstate NY is what it was born for - it's great. For the city get a used yamaha wrx250x - now you've got the plush suspension, the ability to get to the head of the line, and enough power for the urban jungle.

Regarding taling a beating: I spent 4 days riding the back roads of VT with a friend whose bike is a 1935 Indian. The roads there are beat up and sometimes simply revert to dirt. I knew when I had to stand up by watching his bike fly into the air. He could barely walk after the ride- I was feeling just fine (but not gloating - hell, he could almost outride me on that beast). He took a a beating - I was sometimes shaken, but not stirred.

NurseDaddy · Oct 22, 2014

gatdammit said:
I'm only 5'9" and don't want to ever settle with buying a low version...maybe some pride, but mostly don't like the idea of undercutting performance. So, Multi may be out of my (literal) reach.

I'm in Norfolk, VA. I'm not riding her that far. But, I'd most definitely remove and ship my forks to you for a swap out, for a fair price.

I only suggest this because I know dealers could give two ***** about mods when it comes to value. Been dealing with that sick reality for most of my adult life after dumping tons of time and money into cars. So, why not recoup a little bit of that sunk cost. I've wanted the Andreani's since I first read about them but ain't rich.

And don't be upset about trading up. This is a stepping stone bike for sure. I'm a long haul owner but know it's an entry level model. I think it is a swiss-army knife - master at nothing but good at almost everything. Some owners think it's the cat's *** but, another $5K would have solved most of the gripes we generally have.

Yeah, I wish I'd taken some more stuff off the Duke 690 before I traded it in. If the Hyperstrada goes, it's going naked. At which point I'll be posting some stuff in the classifieds because I'm not losing any more money than I have to. You've got dibs on the Andreani's if it comes down to it.

The local dealer is sort of obnoxious. I don't look forward to haggling. There's another Multi up in Connecticut with 6500 miles, for about the same money, and that one's got carbon fiber bits added to it, as well as an Akropovic pipe. I think I'd rather stay local and get the 2500 mile one that's not been tinkered with.

NurseDaddy · Oct 22, 2014

appliance821 said:
I'll put this first in case you don't read the rest. I think you're going the wrong direction for the wrong reason. The Hyper is not a great city bike - it can do it but why bother. The multi will be a pig in NYC - might as well get a Honda Fit.

Here's what you should do - you can thank me later: Keep the hyper for longer trips - out in the loose - man, upstate NY is what it was born for - it's great. For the city get a used yamaha wrx250x - now you've got the plush suspension, the ability to get to the head of the line, and enough power for the urban jungle.

Regarding taling a beating: I spent 4 days riding the back roads of VT with a friend whose bike is a 1935 Indian. The roads there are beat up and sometimes simply revert to dirt. I knew when I had to stand up by watching his bike fly into the air. He could barely walk after the ride- I was feeling just fine (but not gloating - hell, he could almost outride me on that beast). He took a a beating - I was sometimes shaken, but not stirred.

Hey, I get it. And in 2009 I went to the Honda dealer and bought two Fits. One for me, one for the wife. 50K miles on each of 'em now.

I stopped into a dealer across from one of my work sites and saw the Suzuki DRZ 400 SM. Fully adjustable everything. Long legs, light weight. Urban assault vehicle and really really popular amongst a certain group of people that'd have no problems with stealing it.

I need to have one bike for everything. And I need it to - above all - ride well during the commute, since that's the only time I really get to ride with the exception of a couple of hours here and there on a weekend.

NurseDaddy · Oct 22, 2014

gatdammit said:
just curious, have you considered the Diavel? I test rode one before I got my Strada and knew immediately that I would own one some day. They kit out pretty good for touring and it's an absolute beast of a motor.

And the dealer not offering test rides is ****. Make me sign the damn waiver and shut your face hole. I wouldn't be in here if I didn't have the money to purchase one.

Diavel is bad-***. But I don't think it's for me. I like a taller bike that I'm sitting astride, feeling on top of, rather than in. I think I'd feel cramped. It looks weird decked out in Strada trim. Remember when BMW put out the R1200C, and some other weird cruiser variant. Uh, no.

The dealer said no test rides since insurance is so costly. I'm not buying another bike there unless they let me ride it. This one's used, so maybe I'll have a shot at it. They're stupid. Had they let me ride the Hyperstrada and I didn't like it, I'd have bought something I did like, and probably for more money. The dealer up in Connecticut is doing test rides. Maybe I'll end up there.

Itsn · Oct 22, 2014

NurseDaddy said:
Yeah, I wish I'd taken some more stuff off the Duke 690 before I traded it in. If the Hyperstrada goes, it's going naked. At which point I'll be posting some stuff in the classifieds because I'm not losing any more money than I have to. You've got dibs on the Andreani's if it comes down to it.

The local dealer is sort of obnoxious. I don't look forward to haggling. There's another Multi up in Connecticut with 6500 miles, for about the same money, and that one's got carbon fiber bits added to it, as well as an Akropovic pipe. I think I'd rather stay local and get the 2500 mile one that's not been tinkered with.

If gatdammit doesn't swap forks with you I would likely be interested! Bummer about not getting on with the bike, but sometimes it just takes a few thousand miles to realize it.

vincentgurle · Oct 22, 2014

NurseDaddy said:
Vincent, it's fun. No doubt. If all I did was ride smooth roads that led to some smooth twisties on weekends, I'd be satisfied. The reality is I'm commuting. And I'm 6' tall, mostly torso. So I'm a big sail.

I am not sure when I'll get to the dealer to talk about the deal, but I hope it's doable.

Being in the same boat as you, I'm trying my hardest to wait for the new multi to be announced and to come out soon. If it's as good as the rumors suggest than it might be worth the wait and the extra money.

Though I agree, being 6"+ as well, with the windshield on the hyper makes the distance commute more difficult than it needs to be.

uspspro · Oct 22, 2014

Nurse,

Have you checked the rear preload? Somehow mine either backed itself out, or got messed with.

Either way, I found that the rear preload likes to be cranked up quite a bit to keep from hitting the bump stop.

I too have the andreani's which felt nice at first, but then I noticed a really rough ride. I was getting pissed off too. I started looking at Multis, 1200GS, KTM 1190, etc. But when I sit on those bikes, they all feel like pigs.

So one day, I changed the preload and realized it was set very soft. I cranked it up, so there was still sag, but not too much, and it feels like a new bike.... Just something worth trying before turning it in.

You can also try a new rear shock, and get different spring rates for that or the andreanis.

Joecati · Oct 23, 2014

821 Monster. 696 doesn't have enough power and 1200 probably has too much. I had a 696, wrecked it, and miss it.

kuksul08 · Oct 23, 2014

Dude, before you are too upset with it you need to try a few things. I have 6500 miles on my ducaca and finally getting used to it and loving it. The thing is with this bike, making minor adjustments has a huge effect on the way it rides.

First of all, take off the windscreen. For us tall people, it's just going to create buffetting. You will love the nice clean air you get after taking it off. The doubled effect of this is that it enables you to lean slightly forward and put more weight on the front wheel, which will make it feel more planted at stable.

Next, tilt your bars forward a few degrees. It will give you a little more arm extension and also bring the weight more over the front. It makes the bike feel more open in the cockpit.

Make sure your suspension is set up right. Namely, you probably need more rear rebound damping than you think. Try adding a few clicks and seeing how it feels. This will greatly affect the ride quality and comfort. Also, make sure you have the correct sag, especially in front. You can even try lowering the fork tubes or increasing front preload to bring the front end of the bike up. This makes it more stable at speed. In addition, you might think that more compression damping = stiffer ride... but this is not necessarily true. If you have compression backed out, try turning it back in. You will be surprised.

Lastly, stay loose on the bike. Don't grip the bars tightly. Put a little bit of your weight on the pegs, and for comfort riding, pull your elbows in. This is a tall bike, so less frontal area means less drag and less fighting the wind.

We await your report back

bazwp · Oct 23, 2014

NurseDaddy said:
I am thinking I may trade my 4500 mile 2013 Hyperstrada for a 2013 Multistrada Granturismo with 2500 miles on it.

The hyper and I aren't really happy with one another. My hope is that the larger and more comfy multi, with its semi-active suspension, will be better for the kind of riding that I do - commuting on NYC Metro roads that all manufacturers should use as a vehicle proving grounds before they claim they produce a comfortable ride.

I regret not pushing the dealer when he said "we don't do test rides anymore". Because while the Hyper seemed like all the bike I'd need, what with the screen (that sucked), the bags (that are not made that well), and the power outlets and centerstand (those I appreciate), at 4500 miles I'm not as happy with it as I'd like to be and I probably would have handed back the keys after a test ride and gone with something else.

I took a huge hit on the KTM Duke I traded in. Rolled over the unpaid balance into the deal on the Hyperstrada. Now I'm gonna trade that back in for a used Multi and be in a bigger hole.

Most of what drives me to consider this is the fact that even after I spent so much on the fork upgrades I'm not happy. After 200 miles of ownership I determined very quickly that the ride wasn't gonna be tolerable. When first installed the Andreanis were a huge improvement. But after 4000 miles they're still causing me to compromise on the ride, which is less than optimal for my needs. I've solved the fueling issue for now, but the after spending $890 more on the fork upgrade and a whole lot of time in labor and adjustments, I'm fed up. The bike beats me up. With the lack of wind protection, and the light weight making the bike get tossed around like a toy, I'm getting beat up.

Everything I read about the Multistrada and the sublime ride provided by the DSS semi-active suspension makes me think that the used one for ~$16K is the way to go.

The Multi has its faults as well - NO FUNCTIONING BACK BRAKES for one.

That said it is a great motorcycle - but its $14K dearer than a Hyper in Australia so it would need to be a step up. Bang for buck I think the Hyper is the better value, but if you have the cash the Multi is a great bike.

Just my 2 cents worth

peoples1234 · Oct 23, 2014

I can't believe there is a ducati dealer that doesn't offer test rides.

Perhaps you should let Ducati know of this practice, I know that Ducati dealers are supposed to have demo bikes.

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