Hey guys, very close to purchasing the Andreani or the Traxxion. Please any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
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Andreani or Traxxion cartridge
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Joined May 2015
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Dallas, Texas
With Traxxion you would have to send in your forks.
What would you do about the rear shock?
From my perspective, anyone who wants to replace their suspension, regardless of vehicle, is best served by being able to articulate exactly the performance characteristics they are looking for. No suspension is well suited to every condition or riding experience. Each manufacturer designs to a set of characteristics, and price.
My desire was for a balanced front/rear suspension that was compliant on rough California mountain backroads. Not dirt trails and not race tracks, but real world crap road conditions. Potholes, frost heaves, dips and cattle guards, yet still keeping tire contact on the twisty sections.
Mupo did just that for me.
What would you do about the rear shock?
From my perspective, anyone who wants to replace their suspension, regardless of vehicle, is best served by being able to articulate exactly the performance characteristics they are looking for. No suspension is well suited to every condition or riding experience. Each manufacturer designs to a set of characteristics, and price.
My desire was for a balanced front/rear suspension that was compliant on rough California mountain backroads. Not dirt trails and not race tracks, but real world crap road conditions. Potholes, frost heaves, dips and cattle guards, yet still keeping tire contact on the twisty sections.
Mupo did just that for me.
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@RSL - you'd also mentioned the MUPO single fork option - did you get a chance to test that out? Seems like something a person could do on their own, whereas dissasembling the "spring" fork is pretty complex.
no, dissassembling the "non spring" fork (left one) is complex at our HS
my Andreani is a little on the stiff/hard side when driving alone and in touring mode (even with the softest adjustments). Going fast and sporty on roads, for track days and with 2 persons - perfect.
would not want to change it.
I even changed forks between my 2 HS (821 and 939) so that "old" Andreani fork now is mounted in new HS939 so that i can sell my 821 with the stock fork.
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Joined May 2015
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Nope, I went straight to the two cartridge option as everything is custom ordered from Italy.
The single cartridge will offer 70% of the performance increase at 50% the price and much easier installation. Maybe even drop it in without removing the forks?
Mupo can answer that question by email, as they have someone there who handles questions in English.
I decided to go with the whole package as I plan to keep the little Ducati for a long time. The approach of dealing with the rear shock at the same time is prudent as it made a huge difference too. The rear tire needs to react to road problems as much as the front. Maybe even more because it's your spine that takes the hit of a poorly reacting shock.
The single cartridge will offer 70% of the performance increase at 50% the price and much easier installation. Maybe even drop it in without removing the forks?
Mupo can answer that question by email, as they have someone there who handles questions in English.
I decided to go with the whole package as I plan to keep the little Ducati for a long time. The approach of dealing with the rear shock at the same time is prudent as it made a huge difference too. The rear tire needs to react to road problems as much as the front. Maybe even more because it's your spine that takes the hit of a poorly reacting shock.
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I know the DIY on the 1st member that installed Andreani's noted there is a peened portion of the stock fork tube that has to be machined to remove the stockers. Think it was on both tubes.
That same person also said the Andreani setup was pretty harsh at first, but eventually got it sorted at a shop and had glowing reviews. He did note it shined being pushed hard.
That same person also said the Andreani setup was pretty harsh at first, but eventually got it sorted at a shop and had glowing reviews. He did note it shined being pushed hard.
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Dallas, Texas
The new coating that was starting to be developed is called DLC or Diamond Like Carbon coatings. DLC coatings have a lower coefficient of friction than Titanium Nitride coatings and because the coating contains a Nano crystalline structure and carbon elements in it, the coating lasts considerable longer than Titanium Nitride coatings because it has a much harder surface to it.
DLC (Diamond like Carbon) Coating is much harder than the standard chrome found on motorbike inner fork tubes and shock shafts and has a much smoother low stiction surface that improves shaft movement for a better ride. When DLC coating is combined with the SKF fork seal, there is little to no mechanical drag at all. This set up provides the perfect suspension for fast riding over rough ground, giving little to no feed back to the rider.
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I was checking out the new 939 SP today. Lord, what a beautiful bike. The fork is pure GOLD. Both in color and quality. Made me real jelly. I wonder how the new Ohlins fork compares to the old SP, Mupo, and Traxxion setups.
I don't know anything about it. But if I had one, I would surely take it apart (like I do with everything)
Now to figure out how to get one...
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I copied and pasted descriptions from two sites.
As for feel, I questioned that too. But, you can indeed feel stiction when it is bad. That initial resistance before the fork moves.
Eliminating stiction, and making the fork surface more durable, are both great qualities.
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Fork cartridge? No
Shock? Yes. But the better question is whether it's an emulsion or gas separated shock. Easy to tell as gas separated shocks have a reservoir.
Link to internal photos: http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/inside-the-ohlins-gg45-shock.916951/
Emulsion - Where the gas mixes with the fluid:
Gas Separated - Where a piston separates the gas from the fluid. Much better.
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If it is a gas charged cartridge, that is likely the best available, Ohlins or Maxxion. Otherwise, I have to give a heavy nod to the Mupo. Needless to say Ohlins is good but the "factory" Ohlins is typically less than the after market. For instance, you can get high and low speed compression damping with the after market Ohlins, factory only has the high speed. After that it is things like stiffness of the parts, low friction/stiction coatings, etc. that discriminate between them. Bottom line, after market is very likely better BUT the Ohlins is also probably a bargain for the money.
