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MTS1200 v. HyperStrada

Joined Aug 2013
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Arlington VA, US
I traded my 2011 MTS1200 on a Hyper last Friday and put about 700 miles on it over the weekend. I had 20,000 miles on the Multi and loved it, though it was a bit big and I was not doing the mega distance trips on it, less one 3,000 mile trip to Nova Scotia in May/June. I know the bikes are not a direct comparison, but some observations (all comparing to the Multi):

The Good: 80lb lighter and feels it. Smooth responsive engine, with good fueling. Transmission does not have any false neutrals and the spacing between 2nd - 5th seems spot on. Range with the four gallon tank has been ~150 miles till reserve light at 3 gallons used. It is a very economical engine. No buffeting from the fairing at all. Despite the lower spec calipers, the front brakes seem better and the back brake works! Bike is very chuckable in the twisties. ABS on it feels different to the Multi "“ not sure if it is a newer version. A lot easier to handle in the city. Mirrors crystal clear at any speed. Key ignition rather than fob "“ never really liked that on the Multi "“ always checking to see where it was. Stock pipe sounds great.

The So-So: Seat slopes toward the tank and you are a long way forward on this bike. I did about 50 miles on the freeway and it is not as good on the slab as the Multi. Would not be good for a pillion long distance. Dash is small and takes a little to get used to "“ no gear indicator (I can live with that). No fuel gauge, but when the low fuel light comes on a third trip meter starts showing how far you have gone on reserve "“ clever. Bags, side and top are smaller. Built to a price? "“ just doesn't have the same quality feel to it "“ I could be wrong here. Forks are non-adjustable and not particularly compliant. Shock has preload and rebound only. Center stand grounds out on left handers. More tiring to ride? No wave of torque to ride like the MTS.

The Bad: With bike on center stand and kick stand up, my foot becomes trapped between the two stands when pushing the bike off the center stand. Needs a 7th gear! Bag zippers not watertight. Suspension not as compliant as the Ohlins on the 1200 S. Poor design fuel cap and can't mount a tank bag ring. Key is the same as on the '04 ST3 I had "“ old school. Latches on the side bags are cheesy.

In the mountains of Northern VA and WV this weekend the grin was a mile wide "“ bike turns in easy, and hammers through the gears. The Multi is a fantastic bike, and this little Hyper is good too.
 
Good comparo, Vincep. I think anyone stepping off a Multi will feel like Duc cut some corners on the Strada. I look over asian bikes in the lot and feel like I got a lot of bike for $13K.

So, are you saying that the Strada provides as much wind protection as the Multi? You're getting about the best mileage I've seen and I still don't know how you guys do it. I'm on the short side so I just rock the bike forward off center stand - but be sure the side stand is up as the bike will thunk hard on it otherwise. I've seen a lot of rain on mine and the bags are more water resistant than they look.

Can you elaborate on what you don't like about the gas cap?

Cheers
 
Good report, and I needed refreshing. I had the 2010 Multi12, sold after 9k miles. Windscreen was horrible, I tried about everything we knew at the time. Right on, the Hyper is a ***** on the long haul hiway running 80mph at 6k rpm (could use 7th for sure).

I just returned from weekend in Arkansas with 7 others on various makes, the Hyper was a total joy everywhere but down the slab.

On the forks, I changed to 5wt oil and cut 10mm off the spring spacers. Shock preload is 4 clicks from full on, unless I am loaded or 2up then I crank it all the way.

Centerstand slapped me once on hitting a big bottom bump at speed, probably needs a stronger spring. (if you put the sidestand out when kicking off the centerstand it will not catch you).
 
I too got rid of a 1200 Multi and purchased the Hyperstrada, granted there was a bike in between but it was a whim. Very pleased thus far with my Hyper.
JCIII

As well pretty spot on with the comparo, except I am having several false neutrals, hopefullly that will get better with riding. Also the gas cap is ala china cheap.
 
My false neutrals cleared up but can't say if I just trained myself to get under the lever better.

I actually think the gas cap makes a great seal and feels like a solid piece of hardware. What's everybody's beef with it?
 
Gat, yeah it does its job. It's just not... "Sexy" kinda clunky compared to other Duc pieces.
JCIII

It is sexy, just in a different kind of way. I've got the iconic 996 foggy rep and yes that is *** on wheels, but I got a crush on this too lol :D
 
Think Fire is just talking about the gas cap, Mental. I don't think anyone has called the Strada ugly, though I did have a couple friends comment on the very large beak.
 
Think Fire is just talking about the gas cap, Mental. I don't think anyone has called the Strada ugly, though I did have a couple friends comment on the very large beak.

Ha ha, yeh your right, serves me right for not reading thread proper.
I was getting all defensive over my new girl for a minute then lol
Sorry fire:D
 
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I like the gas cap, tho I am always looking for someplace to put it when I refuel. I didn't like the FOB on the Multi12, had to dig it out for gas. Did have a nice cap tho.
 
I agree with the original comparisons wholeheartedly. I rode my mates ms and test rode a hs and ms. I part exchanged my gs800 and bought a new hs. I prefer that the hs is a physically smaller and lighter and more agile and more of a fun bike. I like riding it for the joy of riding it, and tomorrow, I want to ride it again.
 
I am about to leave to attend a meeting of my old HOG chapter, San Bernardino HOG. The dealer has apparently reconsidered his coup d'etat, and has reinstated the Old Guard in its leadership. Wifey and I went on some really fun rides with this group, to places like GC North Rim and Yosemite. I even washed the old Road Glide yesterday, and I almost never wash my bikes.

But I am seriously thinking of showing up on the Strada....:cool:
 
I bought a new Multistrada 1200 with carbon slip-on and carbon windshield last saturday. I will sell my nearly 2 year old HS with 6000km on it. The HS is a very nice funbike but I would have more comfort on long rides.
 
I would prefer a cap that is hinged, so I don't have to find a safe spot to put it when refueling. Also a hinged cap would likely include a flange with bolts that would let you mount a tank bag ring or a gopro.

I can count the bikes I've owned that came with "perfect" suspension F&R on the fingers of one hand. That's out of about fifty, total. The rest I either fixed or lived with. The Strada is one of the ones I've fixed. RT did my forks for about double the cost of a set of heated grips, installed! 75-80 mph down the slab for a few hours is not a problem. It's not as plush as my Harley, but it does not hurt me.
 
I would prefer a cap that is hinged, so I don't have to find a safe spot to put it when refueling. Also a hinged cap would likely include a flange with bolts that would let you mount a tank bag ring or a gopro.

I can count the bikes I've owned that came with "perfect" suspension F&R on the fingers of one hand. That's out of about fifty, total. The rest I either fixed or lived with. The Strada is one of the ones I've fixed. RT did my forks for about double the cost of a set of heated grips, installed! 75-80 mph down the slab for a few hours is not a problem. It's not as plush as my Harley, but it does not hurt me.

I don't have major issues with he stock suspension but I would like more front end feel. I notice at night, when visual cues are minimal, that the front really wanders - also long sweepers. Did your RT mod improve this characteristic? Thanks
 
I don't have major issues with he stock suspension but I would like more front end feel. I notice at night, when visual cues are minimal, that the front really wanders - also long sweepers. Did your RT mod improve this characteristic? Thanks

The stock setup has really weak springs (0.62mm/Kg) and too much preload. RT went with .85s in the Strada. Having the right spring rate makes all the difference in 'feel'. I just put .95s on our track-day SV650 (stock was .71), and they transformed the bike. It's totally stable on corner entry, even wants some trail braking now. For many years I have been used to a softer front end setup, and just closing the throttle to get the bike to turn. That's fine on the Harley, but not on the sportier machines where it can sap your confidence entering corners quickly. I even stiffened up the front of my old Velocette, with a double-damped valve set and sidecar springs. That was mostly to keep hard parts such as the non-folding pegs off the pavement.

Yesterday I talked the Wifey into putting her leathers on and riding on the back of the Strada to breakfast. First time she's been on it for maybe six months due to some foot surgery and general wimping out. Although the extra weight made it harder to flip the bike in transitions, the suspension felt perfect. And I was pleased that she had not lost her passengering skills, as this is required when I'm on our local twisty roads.

Wifey compared it to our '95 Triumph Trophy, our previous two-up sport tourer, and said the Duc accelerates a lot harder. That hot-rodded 885 cc triple dyno'ed at 99 rwhp but weighed nearly 600 pounds wet. The difference makes up for her weight! I think the lighter flywheel mass and lack of valve springs help the Strada rev quicker, too.
 
The stock setup has really weak springs (0.62mm/Kg) and too much preload. RT went with .85s in the Strada. Having the right spring rate makes all the difference in 'feel'. I just put .95s on our track-day SV650 (stock was .71), and they transformed the bike. It's totally stable on corner entry, even wants some trail braking now. For many years I have been used to a softer front end setup, and just closing the throttle to get the bike to turn. That's fine on the Harley, but not on the sportier machines where it can sap your confidence entering corners quickly. I even stiffened up the front of my old Velocette, with a double-damped valve set and sidecar springs. That was mostly to keep hard parts such as the non-folding pegs off the pavement.

Yesterday I talked the Wifey into putting her leathers on and riding on the back of the Strada to breakfast. First time she's been on it for maybe six months due to some foot surgery and general wimping out. Although the extra weight made it harder to flip the bike in transitions, the suspension felt perfect. And I was pleased that she had not lost her passengering skills, as this is required when I'm on our local twisty roads.

Wifey compared it to our '95 Triumph Trophy, our previous two-up sport tourer, and said the Duc accelerates a lot harder. That hot-rodded 885 cc triple dyno'ed at 99 rwhp but weighed nearly 600 pounds wet. The difference makes up for her weight! I think the lighter flywheel mass and lack of valve springs help the Strada rev quicker, too.

Thanks for getting back to me on this. Might try just springs and everything short of the emulators first.

That's an interesting collection of bikes. How is that Velocette?
 
Hi Appliance,

Check out my thread on "Bikes I've known and loved" for more on my collection. I inherited my Dad's Velocette Venom when he passed away in 1970. Used it for daily transportation on and off for a few years. It has 43k on it now, here's a recent pic. Just had the fenders and front stays rechromed! It shakes a bit at speed, but the wifey and I will do 1000 miles on it this July in Oregon with the VOCNA. See velocette.org for more about our club.

Funny thing about riding that bike these days...I often feel strangely giddy on it, like I was a little boy getting away with something that I shouldn't. I know the Velo inside and out, and it's really primitive compared to any modern bike. It's really fun. Handles great; note scar on muffler...from dragging it!

Forks...I suspect that just replacing springs and fluid will help, but there is a lot of compression damping in the stock setup. Makes it harsh over bumps. Lowering the viscosity will help soften the compression, but will hurt rebound - it really needs more rebound to go with the stiffer springs. For just a couple hun more, you can have the forks revalved. It's worth it.
 

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Zippy,

Got any experience with Ural's? I love the vintage war bikes and have always loved the side car Ural's. Quite the devoted fan base, too.