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May I ask you to share the specs of the -real connector- type and the temp probe(s) your ordered?

Many thanks Iskandar
I had a seller cancel the order of the 'real' male connector stating that it was broken. Looking at the datasheet for 12162215 I think this might've been a female only part with the male part being for the manufacturer of the device to make themselves. I see that booster plugs has tangs on the side of their connectors, so maybe they have some custom fabrication, or maybe I just haven't been looking in the right place.

As for the thermistors, I bought a selection, from 3K up to 10K.

Testing wise, ODB scanner shows no errors logged with the front connector unplugged. No OBD2 temperature readings (AAT, IAT, ECT) on this bike are affected with a heat gun pointed at the front sensor. Both AAT and IAT read the same number and are both affected pointing a heat gun in the air box.
 
Hi Braaapster and Mude, thanks for sharing your research!

Here is my update. I thought maybe it is easier to modify the temp sensor module.

It is a Magneti Marelli ATS 05 and is used also in many (previous) Ducati models.

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The sensor is that simple. So I ordered a few thermistors at Reicheld and also ordered the sensors for experimentation at Distriauto.nl. I have not checked the sensors on my bike jet, but it should be the same units. Either I will be able to replace the thermistor or cut at the disc at solder and coat a new one in (6.8k first).
I will update, probably first weekend of Jan, hoping everything will arrive on time.
 
I had a seller cancel the order of the 'real' male connector stating that it was broken. Looking at the datasheet for 12162215 I think this might've been a female only part with the male part being for the manufacturer of the device to make themselves. I see that booster plugs has tangs on the side of their connectors, so maybe they have some custom fabrication, or maybe I just haven't been looking in the right place.

As for the thermistors, I bought a selection, from 3K up to 10K.

Testing wise, ODB scanner shows no errors logged with the front connector unplugged. No OBD2 temperature readings (AAT, IAT, ECT) on this bike are affected with a heat gun pointed at the front sensor. Both AAT and IAT read the same number and are both affected pointing a heat gun in the air box.
So it seems only the sensor in the airbox is used by the ecu? I am mot familiar with the abbreviations (yet) of reading the system, but I will figure it out because I am interested.
 
Hi Braaapster and Mude, thanks for sharing your research!

Here is my update. I thought maybe it is easier to modify the temp sensor module.

It is a Magneti Marelli ATS 05 and is used also in many (previous) Ducati models.

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The sensor is that simple. So I ordered a few thermistors at Reicheld and also ordered the sensors for experimentation at Distriauto.nl. I have not checked the sensors on my bike jet, but it should be the same units. Either I will be able to replace the thermistor or cut at the disc at solder and coat a new one in (6.8k first).
I will update, probably first weekend of Jan, hoping everything will arrive on time.
Tempting to hack that part, but be careful to ensure the substituted component doesn't suffer metal fatigue and end up being sucked through the intake!

So it seems only the sensor in the airbox is used by the ecu? I am mot familiar with the abbreviations (yet) of reading the system, but I will figure it out because I am interested.
AAT = Ambient Air Temperature (should be the front one)
IAT = Intake Air Temperature (should be the airbox one)
ECT = Engine Coolant Temperature (not applicable to the current discussion)

The bike not bitching about the front air temp sensor being disconnected is pretty funny. Unclear just what's going on, but it's beginning to seem like the Shift-Tech quick fuel fix could be working with the placebo effect. No criticism intended but something isn't adding up.
 
I'm all for fact finding. I won't get back on track until February or March to see if it runs better.
 
Hopefully tomorrow I'll get the 10K thermistors, I won't have a connector for a few days but it doesn't matter, I will just crimp some terminals and jam them in. There are enough 'claims' on that page to be able to verify if it does something (at the front) or not. I'll start with quantifiable tests first (i.e. AFR claims).
 
Tempting to hack that part, but be careful to ensure the substituted component doesn't suffer metal fatigue and end up being sucked through the intake!


AAT = Ambient Air Temperature (should be the front one)
IAT = Intake Air Temperature (should be the airbox one)
ECT = Engine Coolant Temperature (not applicable to the current discussion)

The bike not bitching about the front air temp sensor being disconnected is pretty funny. Unclear just what's going on, but it's beginning to seem like the Shift-Tech quick fuel fix could be working with the placebo effect. No criticism intended but something isn't adding up.
Very helpful! Absolutely agree to be to fix the ntc 100%.
 
Weird to see the dash reflecting the modified sensor but the OBD stream ignoring it.
Stops being weird if it has become common for new models. It isn't ignoring it, it can't see it.

https://www.ducatisupersport939.net/threads/external-air-temperature-sensor.18587/
The air temperature sensor near the instrument panel is not the one you connect to.

You need to lift the tank and connect to the ambient temperature sensor which is located at the front of the air filter air box.
I spoke to Jens at booster plug some time ago and he agreed that the the one near the headlight is only for the instrument panel, it does not send any readings to the Ecu. Jens was going to update the info on the booster plug site.
 
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OK, I've just looked at the BP website and it specifically states that the 821 HS only has the one temperature sensor out front so my comment above is not relevant.
 
Here is my update regarding the air temp sensors.

First I investigated the original air temp sensor and housing and checked the reading of the temperature on the dash: stock, 6,8k, 2x 6,8 in parallel, 10k and 2x 10k in parallel, using regular thermistors. I also measured the resistance.

Findings:
- getting familiair with the male/female plugs
- indeed temp drops when using 6.8k and 10k, and 2x10k
- 2x 6.8k gives approx minus 1 degree celcius difference with original censor

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Airbox temp sensor:
My next step was to make a -external air temp device- using two 6.8k thermistors with a simple switch to go from single to parallel configuration.

I checked the ecu reading with stock sensor and coolant temp and intake air temp is monitored by the ecu and indeed no outside air temp reading of the front sensor.

As a next step I was able to unlock/remove the airtemp sensor connector without removing the tank…
Then connected the -sensor device- and did the readings in single and parallel mode.

Findings:
- 2x 6.8k thermistors in parallel gave the same temp reading as the stock sensor
- I do not think there is a female connector available with side clips so I soldered extra long pins to connect the device with the male connector and used shrink tube to cover the connector
- Attached the switch to the inside of the lowest frame tube, lefthand side and out of side
- Switch, sensors and connector are all shrink tubed
- Reversible to original in minutes
- No readings/errors from the ecu so far with unplugging the original sensor (ignition off) and connecting the device and switching with ignition on. -Side step: I managed to disconnect the evap connector (new type 2024) and it gave a reading in the ecu with ignition off removal-
- I have not fired up the engine yet with this intake air sensor mode

On the right the connector in shrink tube
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Pins not full in yet
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Parallel
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Single
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Sensors in shrink tubed

Thermistors in shrink tube and wire to switch
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Thanks Iskandar, it's good that we both have the no change from the front connector.

From my limited testing so far I did NOT witness a running difference with the thermistor plugged into the front connector. In specific I'm looking at the short term fuel trim value (and long term just in case the ECU re-learns during testing).

One thing obvious came to mind when considering any positive reviews. I would think there's a lot of bias with people purchasing this device in the colder months and then comparing how the bike used to feel in warmer conditions.

My next step, similar to yours, is to run the bike with the air box probe changed. If I can witness a change in the short term trim then I think there's enough evidence to state that the front doesn't do anything to the running of the bike.

Still waiting on a reply from Ducati Bologna (they opened an investigation).

One final thought for now, OBD-2 is a Euro 5 requirement (and OBD-1 before that), within that requirement the engine must be able to report a fault in the emissions control systems. If the front connector is doing something to the ECU and the front connector can be unplugged without an engine warning, then the front connector itself could be considered a defeat device.

(37)‘defeat device’ means any element of design which senses temperature, vehicle speed, engine speed and/or load, transmission gear, manifold vacuum or any other parameter for the purpose of activating, modulating, delaying or deactivating the operation of any part of the emission control and exhaust after-treatment system and which reduces the effectiveness of the emission control system under conditions which may reasonably be expected to be encountered in normal vehicle operation and use

Question therefore is what is more likely, Ducati breaching Euro 5 for no advantage (not like a VW situation) or Shift-Tech selling something with false claims?
 
Email from the owner of BoosterPlugs. Need to be aware that this could be considered a competitor, except that later in the email he explains that they won't sell dongles for Euro 5 bikes. I've highlighted a few parts.

We normally refrain from commenting on “competitor” devices, but there are so many things wrong about this product that I will make an exception.

Ducati moved from one air temperature sensor to two sensors because it was necessary to meet the newest emission regulations (EURO5 and EURO5+). It is as simple as that. (If my memory serves me right they swapped to two sensors already during the late EURO4 bikes to be prepared for the stricter EURO5))

During the EURO3 and EURO4 days, it was sufficient to have a single air temperature sensor placed near the head lamp, and this sensor would provide signal to both the ECU and the dashboard readout.

When EURO5 arrived, it was necessary to have more accurate air temperature sensor readings, so they had to move the air temperature señor inside the air filter box (like on most other motorcycle brands). The temperature inside the air filter box is the value you want for the ECU to be able to adjust the air/fuel mixture correctly, but this setup does not provide a good signal for the ambient air temperature displayed in the dashboard.

Imagine when you stop the bike with a hot engine - the still standing air inside the airbox will be heated up by the warm engine, and then you would see an air temperature sensor reading that was easily 20C higher than the actual temperature. When you start the engine again and flow a lot of cool air through the air filter box, the temperature inside the air filter box will very quickly be the same as on the outside and the displayed air temperature would be correct again.

So if Ducati stayed with the single air temperature sensor setup and moved the sensor inside the air filter box - then they would be swamped in customer complaints about the displayed air temperature being wrong/faulty.

Bottom line is the they decided to implement two separate air temperature sensors like everyone else - because they had to.

And if you or anyone else is thinking: Hey, I’m in the USA (or somewhere else outside Europe), so the EURO standards does not apply to my bike, then you will be disappointed. It is extremely difficult/expensive/time consuming to develop new bikes and make them meet the emission regulations, so all manufactorers are now making “world models”. The EURO standard is the strictest ones, but whatever they are called in our countries, they are very close to the EURO regulations, so the EURO emission standards affect all of us with newer bikes - no matter where we are located.

This was all background information - now back to your questions:

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On a Ducati with two air temperature sensors, it will have absolutely no impact on the ECU’s calculations if you tweak the signal from the sensor that is showing the ambient temperature in the dashboard.

You already tested this yourself, because when there are no error code or check engine warning in the dashboard when you disconnect the connector from the air temperature sensor near the headlight, it will definitely not provide any kind of temperature signal to the ECU.


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Another issue with the “competitor” fuel dongle is that it is not possible to come up with a proper setup by substituting the original sensor by a single NTC sensor.

To keep the very important temperature compensation programming correct, you want to come up with a design that will provide the same temperature offset in all ambient temperatures, and to do so you need to use the combined output of the original sensor and the additional NTC sensor. (This is where most of the BoosterPlug copies fail badly)



Next problem is that it is no longer possible to change the air/fuel ratio by tweaking the air temperature sensor signal (even if you would connect your device to the correct air temperature sensor). EURO5 and especially EURO5+ is blocking very effective in blocking our attempts to improve the bikes. Here is the detailed explanation:

The EURO5 standard includes a demand that the sensors are monitored to make sure the ECU inputs are not tampered with, and the manufactorers are obliged to build monitoring systems into the ECU’s and make sure they flash a warning in the dashboard if any of the sensors are showing signs of being tweaked.

In regards to the BoosterPlug, we have already seen this monitoring being done in two different ways:

- On bikes with a separate air temperature sensor for the dashboard display, it is quite simple for the ECU to compare the temperature for the ECU’s air temperature sensor and the dashboard air temperature sensor - and if there is a constant major difference (with the BoosterPlug installed), the ECU will sense a fault/tweak, and flash a warning in the instruments.

- On bikes with only one air temperature sensor, the ECU will compare the air temperature sensor signal with the oil or water temperature sensor signal when the engine have been stopped for more than 5 hours. (When the engine is completely cooled down, the oil temperature and air temperature must be more or less the same.

It is important to understand that this monitoring is a firm demand in the newest emission standards, and even if the BoosterPlug could probably work ok when you install it on a EURO5 bike, it can all easily change with the first software update on the ECU (We saw this happen on the Triumph Tiger 900 and the Honda CRF1100L).

So if we launched the BoosterPlug for any of the EURO5 bikes, we could/would end up in a situation where the BoosterPlug would cause the ECU to report an error after the bike have been to service (because of the ECU software update), and the customer would obviously blame the BoosterPlug - and we would end up with a bunch of unhappy customers….

There is no demand that the monitoring thing is introduced on older bikes (and the older ECU’s are mostly not prepared for it anyway), and the factories are well aware that everyone and their dogs have modified bikes in the past. So even if it was technical possible to add the monitoring software to the existing ECU’s, we can be quite sure that they will not do so, as they surely know that this is like asking for trouble.

This monitoring thing does not only affect the BoosterPlug. The ECU’s are locked for remapping (ECU flash), and Power Commanders and the horrible O2 eliminators are also history with the arrival of the EURO5 standard. There is no reasonable way around this, so we had to make the tough decision to stop developing new BoosterPlug’s and make it clear that we do not support bikes newer than 2020.

The newest EURO5+ standard have even tougher monitoring requirements, as well as a new demand that the engine goes into “Limp” mode with reduced power if the check engine light is turned on. So the old trick to put a piece of black tape over the warning light is also a thing of the past.

Sorry for the long explanation, but I wanted to provide a proper answer to your questions.

Bottom line is that this device will not and can not change the air/fuel ratio on the 698, and it is not even a properly researched or well build BoosterPlug copy ;-)
 

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