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Unplugged the QS controller module and no stuttering/ misfires. Even my long plagued 2nd gear @ 8K rpm seams to be gone, though I can't see the correlation. Sucks cause I'm addicted to it. I'll write Dimsport and see what they say.
 
Lete know what they say please. I'm also addicted to the QS. If I have to I'll switch to the IRC. When you contact them you might add that another guy you know is having a similar issue with same set up on the same bike.
 
Mine is also the F27 with the "Shift Assist" module
 

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Jason,

Go in Shift Assist section à Main Settings and double-click on “Preload” while keeping SHIFT key pressed on keyboard. You notice the hidden options are available because a new button “Reset” appears (don’t need to use it anyway – consider that hidden options are usually options that are not needed regularly or not needed at all by users).

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Then go in Advanced option and you’ll see a new setting “Filtering type”

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There are some values it is worth testing: 2, 4, 6, 8 and 10. Generally 8 and 4 provided best results so I would suggest you test them first.
 

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Tim,
I performed this hidden menu function. It was a little slow to populate on my program, so just keep doing the "SHIFT, click" step until it works. Hard to see, but the 'Filtering Type' has little up/down arrows to adjust above the value box.

And...it did nothing. I'm still battling unhappy gear shifts but the random misfire is back, which is absolutely attributable to the QS module. Toggling all the other standard settings does not affect this issue.

I broke down my shifter linkage and reset. Weather is **** today so let you know when I get a good test run.
 
Hey guys - question about tuning; my Hyper SP 821 already has the Termi full system installed, with the airbox cover etc..”Hypermotard Racing” on the display and the bike runs well. I would say even the closed loop operation is good to great. Question is would it run even better with the T800 Termi map with the O2 disabled??

I tried manually unplugging the O2 sensors which tripped the check engine light and tested the ride…there was no improvement noticed at all in closed loop fueling etc. It didn’t get any worse either.

Not sure how the Termi full system UpMap stick is any different from the T800s?? Is it worth the money or should I leave good enough alone?
 
Won't comment on flash or tuner. Plenty of threads and personal bias on this forum to influence you.

Will say that most of us in some state of tune have played with the O2's. My tuner will bypass them if I choose and connected or disconnected (physically) made no difference. Some with more mild states of tune say the fueling smooths out a bit with them disconnected.
 
gatdammit said:
Won't comment on flash or tuner. Plenty of threads and personal bias on this forum to influence you.

Will say that most of us in some state of tune have played with the O2's. My tuner will bypass them if I choose and connected or disconnected (physically) made no difference. Some with more mild states of tune say the fueling smooths out a bit with them disconnected.
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Thanks for the reply - I’ve been trying to reach out to UpMap directly: emails, phone calls, WhatsApp, FB - no responses!

Kinda worrisome if I actually bought the T800 already and needed their help

Same with Termignoni - I’ve tried to reach out as well, no response…

With the 14T CS sprocket, I can take off from a dead stop without using throttle - almost like a 4cyl…almost. At this point, it seems like the “juice is not worth the squeeze” with the T800 maps, unless you’re just getting it for the dash functionality…

Hoping to hear from some members with first hand info on the orig Termi full system map as well.
 
Ram said:
Thanks for the reply - I’ve been trying to reach out to UpMap directly: emails, phone calls, WhatsApp, FB - no responses!

Kinda worrisome if I actually bought the T800 already and needed their help

Same with Termignoni - I’ve tried to reach out as well, no response…

With the 14T CS sprocket, I can take off from a dead stop without using throttle - almost like a 4cyl…almost. At this point, it seems like the “juice is not worth the squeeze” with the T800 maps, unless you’re just getting it for the dash functionality…

Hoping to hear from some members with first hand info on the orig Termi full system map as well.
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What is your goal? Peak power numbers? Longevity of the engine? Etc. If you plan on doing more upgrades to the engine then the T800 would be worth looking into since you can swap maps. The down side is you only get 2 maps with the purchase(might only be 1). You have to purchase different maps after that. If you don't intend on doing anymore mods then leave it alone if it's running strong. The juice isn't worth the squeeze for that extra horsepower. If you want to start swapping out parts and make it more personalized (TBH the hyper with the full Termi and upmap is the standard 'build'. If you run into another hyper 821/939 it is highly likely they have those same components) with something like a full power works race exhaust or the full SC concepts exhaust along with the Starace velocity stacks and air filter housing(filter housing will be very similar to the aftermarket one you have) then I suggest even stepping away from the T800 and doing a piggyback tuner like the Rapidbike or Powercommander. These systems are fully tunable where the Termi T800 and upmap is a canned tune (not all bikes are the same, elevation the same and fuels the same so how can one tune fit all bikes with the same parts?). If you aren't into doing a whole wire harness routing job and still want the ability to tune in the quickest and easiest install possible check out Rexxer. They crack your ecu and send it back so you just plug it back in and go. The plus side of this is that you can reset maintenance, reset codes, TPS and a bunch of other stuff. No other timers or systems can do that.
Me? I have a Rapidbike Evo tuner on my bike and I'm happy with it. I also have the add on quickshifter (HIGHLY recommend getting a quickshifter. It's one of those things that you think you don't need/want until you actually have one. Every bike I own going forward will have one) but after a few years I'm running into some issues with the system. I might have it tracked down but figured I would mention it.
 
Araitim said:
What is your goal? Peak power numbers? Longevity of the engine? Etc. If you plan on doing more upgrades to the engine then the T800 would be worth looking into since you can swap maps. The down side is you only get 2 maps with the purchase(might only be 1). You have to purchase different maps after that. If you don't intend on doing anymore mods then leave it alone if it's running strong. The juice isn't worth the squeeze for that extra horsepower. If you want to start swapping out parts and make it more personalized (TBH the hyper with the full Termi and upmap is the standard 'build'. If you run into another hyper 821/939 it is highly likely they have those same components) with something like a full power works race exhaust or the full SC concepts exhaust along with the Starace velocity stacks and air filter housing(filter housing will be very similar to the aftermarket one you have) then I suggest even stepping away from the T800 and doing a piggyback tuner like the Rapidbike or Powercommander. These systems are fully tunable where the Termi T800 and upmap is a canned tune (not all bikes are the same, elevation the same and fuels the same so how can one tune fit all bikes with the same parts?). If you aren't into doing a whole wire harness routing job and still want the ability to tune in the quickest and easiest install possible check out Rexxer. They crack your ecu and send it back so you just plug it back in and go. The plus side of this is that you can reset maintenance, reset codes, TPS and a bunch of other stuff. No other timers or systems can do that.
Me? I have a Rapidbike Evo tuner on my bike and I'm happy with it. I also have the add on quickshifter (HIGHLY recommend getting a quickshifter. It's one of those things that you think you don't need/want until you actually have one. Every bike I own going forward will have one) but after a few years I'm running into some issues with the system. I might have it tracked down but figured I would mention it.
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Thank you for your advice - my interest started with the T800 Termi maps when I found out that my O2 sensors were still active. I’ve actually owned the bike for a number of years and always thought the Termi full system map already disabled the O2s, until I physically disconnected the plugs recently, which triggered the check engine light.

My previous experience with O2 deletion have usually been positive (smoother on/off fueling at low rom), especially from stock set ups.

Basically, I was interested to see if by having my O2s disabled (Termi map from T800) if it would improve even further the closed loop smoothness of my current set up.

I did try riding the bike with the O2s unplugged and didn’t notice any difference at all. I was mainly focusing on closed loop throttle response, although I’m really not sure if the bike would respond differently if the O2s were actually disabled via the ecu map vs just being unplugged (with check engine light)??

if there’s no difference between those two methods, I’ll be convinced there’s no need for a different map that officially disabled the O2s…
 
It's probably the same on the Hyper, but on my Streetfighter, I have the full termi system and it came with a separate race-tuned ECU. They basically just change the map on the ECU so it takes into consideration the exhaust system flowing more air because of the aftermarket air intake and pipes. But no real-time monitoring/Auto-tuning. The T-800 Maps are pretty much the same thing. You tell them your setup, you send them your ECU and they adjust the fuel/air maps on the ECU. In your situation, I wouldn't change a thing. Your setup now will get you very close to good fueling. Maybe if you're riding at different altitudes a lot in mountainous regions then I would get a rapid bike or PC5. The only way you could get more benefits over your setup now is by fitting one of these two. The Rapidbike uses the stock 02 sensors to manage the air/fuel mix in real-time. And you can fit a Quick shifter setup with it. With the Power commander, you can delete the 02 sensors and turn them off in the PC5 software and run a closed-loop. I just fitted the Rapidbike and DP air filter + Giuseppe airbox lid + MWR air filter. Have yet to test it fully yet.

My experience:
1. Stock mapping, Project SC exhaust + DP air filter only, 02 sensors ON: Bike seemed to run not that great. Had surging at different RPMs, sucks at low speed/city riding. Ran lean. Gas mileage was decent. 200kmish to Low fuel light on. But I did do a only twisty road tour and went to 260km until the low fuel light came on. When you fit an aftermarket exhaust but keep the stock mapping, it's commonly known that it will blow out 02 sensors quicker. I did this and my 02 sensors died at 26,xxxkm. I got an intermittent CEL that eventually stayed on when the sensors had finally died.

2. Stock mapping, Project SC exhaust + DP air filter only, 02 sensors OFF: The bike did seem to run a little better than when the 02 sensors were working but the difference was hardly noticeable. But when I took out the 02 sensors they were super black compared to when I took them out when they were working. So the bike definitely ran richer, Surging was a little better. I didn't get to test the gas mileage but went to 180km and the low fuel light didn't come on yet.

3. Rapidbike tuned map made by Rapidbike + auto-tuning ON, Project SC setup, DP air filter, Gisuppe lid+ MWR mod: Can't wait to test this. Finished installing everything last night except for the lid. Note: I couldn't fit the Rapidbike module under my seat as the manual suggested. I even took out the servo motor but still not enough room. I fit the module to the right side of the frame. It will be hidden under the right fairing. The ground wire + TPS wire wouldn't reach the batt with this setup. I will have to find a place on the frame to attach the ground wire to. Also, the TPS wire was a bit too short reaching the main ECU harness. I had to extend it by adding some extra wire with a Posi-tap.
Rapidbike install location

4. Custom Map made by Kuksul + Rapidbike auto-tuning OFF, Project SC setup, DP air filter, Gisuppe lid+ MWR mod: Last to test.
 
N4teTheGreat said:
I don't think you'll get anything from the T800 you haven't already gotten from the map applied with that exhaust, I'd leave it alone.
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Thank you! I’m leaning towards that conclusion as well, specially after physically unplugging the O2s then testing the closed loop throttle response…didn’t notice any difference whatsoever.

The only lingering doubt I have left is if the method I used would have a different result vs actually having the O2s disabled via the ecu.

I haven’t found a definitive answer online on whether or not the Termi Full System map “Hypermotard Racing” which was unlocked with the UpMap “stick” that came with the full system kit actually addresses closed loop operation?
 
saken said:
It's probably the same on the Hyper, but on my Streetfighter, I have the full termi system and it came with a separate race-tuned ECU. They basically just change the map on the ECU so it takes into consideration the exhaust system flowing more air because of the aftermarket air intake and pipes. But no real-time monitoring/Auto-tuning. The T-800 Maps are pretty much the same thing. You tell them your setup, you send them your ECU and they adjust the fuel/air maps on the ECU. In your situation, I wouldn't change a thing. Your setup now will get you very close to good fueling. Maybe if you're riding at different altitudes a lot in mountainous regions then I would get a rapid bike or PC5. The only way you could get more benefits over your setup now is by fitting one of these two. The Rapidbike uses the stock 02 sensors to manage the air/fuel mix in real-time. And you can fit a Quick shifter setup with it. With the Power commander, you can delete the 02 sensors and turn them off in the PC5 software and run a closed-loop. I just fitted the Rapidbike and DP air filter + Giuseppe airbox lid + MWR air filter. Have yet to test it fully yet.

My experience:
1. Stock mapping, Project SC exhaust + DP air filter only, 02 sensors ON: Bike seemed to run not that great. Had surging at different RPMs, sucks at low speed/city riding. Ran lean. Gas mileage was decent. 200kmish to Low fuel light on. But I did do a only twisty road tour and went to 260km until the low fuel light came on. When you fit an aftermarket exhaust but keep the stock mapping, it's commonly known that it will blow out 02 sensors quicker. I did this and my 02 sensors died at 26,xxxkm. I got an intermittent CEL that eventually stayed on when the sensors had finally died.

2. Stock mapping, Project SC exhaust + DP air filter only, 02 sensors OFF: The bike did seem to run a little better than when the 02 sensors were working but the difference was hardly noticeable. But when I took out the 02 sensors they were super black compared to when I took them out when they were working. So the bike definitely ran richer, Surging was a little better. I didn't get to test the gas mileage but went to 180km and the low fuel light didn't come on yet.

3. Rapidbike tuned map made by Rapidbike + auto-tuning ON, Project SC setup, DP air filter, Gisuppe lid+ MWR mod: Can't wait to test this. Finished installing everything last night except for the lid. Note: I couldn't fit the Rapidbike module under my seat as the manual suggested. I even took out the servo motor but still not enough room. I fit the module to the right side of the frame. It will be hidden under the right fairing. The ground wire + TPS wire wouldn't reach the batt with this setup. I will have to find a place on the frame to attach the ground wire to. Also, the TPS wire was a bit too short reaching the main ECU harness. I had to extend it by adding some extra wire with a Posi-tap.
Rapidbike install location

4. Custom Map made by Kuksul + Rapidbike auto-tuning OFF, Project SC setup, DP air filter, Gisuppe lid+ MWR mod: Last to test.
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Thanks saken!! You’re probably correct - I’m specifically interested to see if the T800 Termi map with the “lambda disabled” setting would further improve my closed loop operation - so far, I have a feeling it won’t. Hoping someone that has tried it coming from the UpMap stick can verify…

I’ve used the Rapid Bike Evo on a Nuda 900R I used to own - can’t tell you how much it improved the smoothness and performance. Was very happy with that setup - I initially had it installed to remedy the overly lean set up the Nuda had, specially in heavy traffic…bike would stall when the when trying to take off from a stop, unless you consciously applied more throttle before moving forward. Not only did the RB Evo eliminate that, the acceleration also improved noticeably. Really good product

On my Hyper SP, there’s no stalling or surging and it runs very well - just wanted to verify if having the O2s officially disabled through mapping would improve the low rpm (closed loop) throttle response even more…
 
I got my RB Evo for $500 in 2015. It was even sold by a somewhat shady eBay dealer but Dimsport checked that it was a legit model through the serial #. Why wouldn't you want total tuning control for nearly the money you would spend on a single flash? I can't leave the bitch alone so flash was never an option for me.
 
Ram said:
Thanks saken!! You’re probably correct - I’m specifically interested to see if the T800 Termi map with the “lambda disabled” setting would further improve my closed loop operation - so far, I have a feeling it won’t. Hoping someone that has tried it coming from the UpMap stick can verify…

I’ve used the Rapid Bike Evo on a Nuda 900R I used to own - can’t tell you how much it improved the smoothness and performance. Was very happy with that setup - I initially had it installed to remedy the overly lean set up the Nuda had, specially in heavy traffic…bike would stall when the when trying to take off from a stop, unless you consciously applied more throttle before moving forward. Not only did the RB Evo eliminate that, the acceleration also improved noticeably. Really good product

On my Hyper SP, there’s no stalling or surging and it runs very well - just wanted to verify if having the O2s officially disabled through mapping would improve the low rpm (closed loop) throttle response even more…
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Them Nuda's are bad ass. I love the sound. I would totally own one but they weren't sold in the states.
 
Araitim said:
Them Nuda's are bad ass. I love the sound. I would totally own one but they weren't sold in the states.
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Araitim, I agree - Nuda 900 R was one of my favorite bikes ever and I’ve owned a “few” bikes…didn’t even know about it till I was stationed overseas. Wish I could bring it back to the US, but parts are a PITA and I didn’t want to deal with the paperwork etc to get it registered back in the states.

On a side note, have any of you tried using the Eldor ignition coils for the 848, 1098, 1198 on our Hypers??

Keep reading about how our Beru coils can damage our ECU despite the dash TSB/Recall and I don’t want to rig an Aprilia coil with different plugs…I believe the part number is 38010144B…

I have about 15k miles on mine with no issues on the coils, but wouldn’t mind swapping for the Ducati Eldors for peace of mind….
 
Ram said:
Araitim, I agree - Nuda 900 R was one of my favorite bikes ever and I’ve owned a “few” bikes…didn’t even know about it till I was stationed overseas. Wish I could bring it back to the US, but parts are a PITA and I didn’t want to deal with the paperwork etc to get it registered back in the states.

On a side note, have any of you tried using the Eldor ignition coils for the 848, 1098, 1198 on our Hypers??

Keep reading about how our Beru coils can damage our ECU despite the dash TSB/Recall and I don’t want to rig an Aprilia coil with different plugs…I believe the part number is 38010144B…

I have about 15k miles on mine with no issues on the coils, but wouldn’t mind swapping for the Ducati Eldors for peace of mind….
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I just went with the Aprilia coils. You can pick up a case of connector ends and crimp tool for like $30.
 

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