The Suspension Thread!!! BOOING

[RSL]

The installer's issue about Andraeni was about support here in Texas, not about the quality of their product. I'm sure their products are top quality and offer great performance.

Mupo is also a top quality and performing option. That's why both are listed above.

Yes, looking at the additional expense in time to make the left leg function for a cartridge is probably good for those looking for that last 5% or 10% of the available performance from their forks.

I'm riding a Hyperstrada because it is a great little bike that is value priced, compared to all my previous BMWs.

If Mupo says that replacing just the right fork with their cartridge offers much improved tire contact with the road when riding in a spirited manner on my favorite twisty backroads, well that's good enough for me.

On my way to a quick 2,200 mile loop in the Sierra Mountains. My final decision regarding the necessity of this purchase will be decided there.

 

[Itsn]

Haha, well put!

For me it was the noise and (limited) practicality of the Hyperstrada

Enjoy the ride! Thanks for explaining.

The installer's issue about Andraeni was about support here in Texas, not about the quality of their product. I'm sure their products are top quality and offer great performance.

Mupo is also a top quality and performing option. That's why both are listed above.

Yes, looking at the additional expense in time to make the left leg function for a cartridge is probably good for those looking for that last 5% or 10% of the available performance from their forks.

I'm riding a Hyperstrada because it is a great little bike that is value priced, compared to all my previous BMWs.

If Mupo says that replacing just the right fork with their cartridge offers much improved tire contact with the road when riding in a spirited manner on my favorite twisty backroads, well that's good enough for me.

On my way to a quick 2,200 mile loop in the Sierra Mountains. My final decision regarding the necessity of this purchase will be decided there.

 

[RSL]

OK, we rode nearly 1,900 miles in six days. Long days in first, second and third gear. That twisty.

The forks just don't work for my favorite roads. Potholes and frost heaves are transferred right to the handlebars.

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[Strider]

The installer's issue about Andraeni was about support here in Texas, not about the quality of their product. I'm sure their products are top quality and offer great performance.

Mupo is also a top quality and performing option. That's why both are listed above.

Yes, looking at the additional expense in time to make the left leg function for a cartridge is probably good for those looking for that last 5% or 10% of the available performance from their forks.

I'm riding a Hyperstrada because it is a great little bike that is value priced, compared to all my previous BMWs.

If Mupo says that replacing just the right fork with their cartridge offers much improved tire contact with the road when riding in a spirited manner on my favorite twisty backroads, well that's good enough for me.

On my way to a quick 2,200 mile loop in the Sierra Mountains. My final decision regarding the necessity of this purchase will be decided there.

Please keep us updated on this. I'm planning to get the Mupo single set up for next season as well. I'd love to hear your impressions. The Adrianni reviews I've been seeing aren't inspiring confidence IMO.

 

[Hyperstrada]

Hi Strider... I've done a full Mupo setup... if someone can explain how I post pictures up I will do it.

 

[Strider]

More importantly give us your impression of the system. Is it the double or single cartridge set up?

To post pictures you'll see an icon that looks like a picture of a mountain on a yellow post card. Click on that and it should be self explanatory. The earth with a chain link icon is to link to images on the Internet.

 

[Hyperstrada]

It's the double cartridge set up. I also changed the rear shock too. I found the original front fork 'choppy' however the rear shock was compliant. The installer had to do some mods to the left fork to fit the cartridge.

On the track I found the original forks compressed too much and found it pretty unnerving. The new Mupo set up is certainly better. It handles bumps better and turns noticeably more confident too. With a pillion it doesn't compress as much so that's an added benefit. It's a pretty stiff set up so it suits the sporty rider however I did notice straight away that the annoying choppiness of the original front fork is much better.

Overall I'm happy I changed to Mupo but it didn't come cheap.

 

[Strider]

I have been sniffing around the Internet and I found something very interesting. So far all I can find for fork cartridges is Mupo, Matris, and Adrianni (or however you spell it). Based on the pictures I could find they are all the same!!! Once I can get real computer (on an iPad right now) I'll post the stock pictures of the units.

That's kinda concerning to me. Three different companies are all potentially selling the same thing????? Who is really making this for everyone I wonder. So you get the full deal from whoever (they are all the same), race-tech valving and springs, or nothing.

 

[zippy49]

I've just ordered a set of Andreanis for our 390 Duke. I live very close to Racetech, so it's easy to take them in for the swap. They quoted me $165, but there will be no machine work needed.

I'm going to point out again that the biggest problem with the stock forks on my Strada was the spring rate and preload. Going from the stock 0.62 kg/mm to 0.85 kg/mm with less preload and compression damping made them practically plush. RT had to machine the mount for the damping valve to fit their Gold Valve, that was the most difficult part. You could skip that, but no matter what weight oil you use there would still be too much compression relative to rebound.

As for having damping only on one side, that's not much different as far as flex goes than splitting rebound and compression between them. Modern forks are not nearly as flexy as the awful ones on my old Kawi 500 triple!

 

[RSL]

I have been sniffing around the Internet and I found something very interesting. So far all I can find for fork cartridges is Mupo, Matris, and Adrianni (or however you spell it). Based on the pictures I could find they are all the same!!!

While all serve the same function, and fit within the same 43mm fork space, they are quite different.

Mupo offers two choices for the Strada, a single and double cartridge option. See install videos to see how they are very different.

Andreani offers Ohlins-like double cartridge kits.

 

[Strider]

OK after looking at it all again they are not the same. But physically the parts look virtually identical so I thought that someone was machining all the parts for each manufacture and just changing the colors.

I'm on the fence of keeping my bike or not. If I do I'd be trying to decide between just a race tech job or getting the single Mupo set up for at least some adjustability....

 

[ferdi]

OK after looking at it all again they are not the same. But physically the parts look virtually identical so I thought that someone was machining all the parts for each manufacture and just changing the colors.

I'm on the fence of keeping my bike or not. If I do I'd be trying to decide between just a race tech job or getting the single Mupo set up for at least some adjustability....

a cartridge looks like a cartridge, even if they are from different vendors

 

[Strider]

I was mostly referring to the fork cap and adjuster design. They are very similar, but not exactly the same. I do know that I'd love to have any of them .

 

[RSL]

I've been round and round with fork cartridge options. A decision is fast approaching with the purchase of the Mupo LcRr replacement cartridges (Left compression - Right rebound). The installation will be done by the guy that helps so many track guys in Texas. More info to follow.

Link: http://www.mupo.it/product/8/0/89/kit-cartridge-lcrr

A modification kit designed to transform o/e fitted front forks into competition ones. Done simply by replacing the whole group of original cartridges with our Cartridge LCRR, fitted with larger pistons and a progressive system, altogether guaranteeing more precision and better performance.

 

[monocog007]

I've been round and round with fork cartridge options. A decision is fast approaching with the purchase of the Mupo LcRr replacement cartridges (Left compression - Right rebound). The installation will be done by the guy that helps so many track guys in Texas. More info to follow.

A modification kit designed to transform o/e fitted front forks into competition ones. Done simply by replacing the whole group of original cartridges with our Cartridge LCRR, fitted with larger pistons and a progressive system, altogether guaranteeing more precision and better performance.

I've also been considering the cartridges, may I ask why you're thinking of going with the Mupo instead of Andreani?

 

[zippy49]

I hope they are worth more than double what the Andreanis cost...not to me, though. This is not a race bike, it's our sport tourer.

 

[RSL]

Andreani - $850 + shipping to Fast Bike and back (with insurance that would be about $150) + free install + fork removal/install by me.

Mupo - $1099 + $250 install on bike with adjustment. I just have to take the bike to the suspension guy. A guy perfectly suited to getting everything adjusted just right. I get a bike ready for riding.

So, $350 to have everything adjusted perfectly and all the bike work done for me.

 

[Strider]

I'm looking forward to your review!!! The Andreani reviews have been rather luke warm it seems. Considering its supposed to be an Ohlins product its disappointing to hear the "meh" reviews.

I'm thinking about the single leg Mupo kit for this year.

 

[RSL]

The Texas suspension guy said that the single leg Mupo will offer 70% the performance of the double leg set-up.

 

[Strider]

Which is a damn site more then the stock set up. I track an SV650 with springs and Race Tech valves on stock forks. I'm plenty fast with that .

Though honestly I bet a revalve and springs would be fine for the most part. The front isn't horrid as long as you can ride around it, but it would be nice for it to be better.

maybe I'll regret not getting the full enchilada, but by that time I'll have already bought a Multi heh.