jaredkuper
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I'm leaning towards the Karoo 3 170/60 rear and 130/80 front. Has anyone fit a 130/80 to the hyperstrada yet?
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TKC 70 will be fine for street use and very easy off-road, but horrible for any sort of loose or slippery unpaved surface.
The TKC80 works very well for off-road and surprisingly well with the 17" wheels on slippery dirt surfaces, even off-camber. Wet paved use is not so good as the traction control light comes on all the time. Dry paved use is better than expected. I got some 1,250 miles of life.
Conclusion is there there is no universal tire.
The Metzeler Roadtec 01 is the long life great paved traction champ. Wet or dry.
The TKC80 is short lived but very good off-road. Acceptable on pavement.
The TKC80 works very well for off-road and surprisingly well with the 17" wheels on slippery dirt surfaces, even off-camber. Wet paved use is not so good as the traction control light comes on all the time. Dry paved use is better than expected. I got some 1,250 miles of life.
Conclusion is there there is no universal tire.
The Metzeler Roadtec 01 is the long life great paved traction champ. Wet or dry.
The TKC80 is short lived but very good off-road. Acceptable on pavement.
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I wonder how the new Road Attack 3 will stack up against the rest.
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The latest sport touring tires are all very good. Head and shoulders better than those produced even a few years ago, like the Pilot Road 4.
Many are looking at the country of production to decide which of these tires to purchase. They are finding that the same tire produced in China to be less desirable than when produced in Europe or the US. This is due to their direct experience with tires produced at the different production centers.
I have not joined in this criticism yet as my new tire purchases are usually spread out and involve switching between off-road and on-road orientation. Thus, unable to confirm or deny their experience. However, I wonder if the unusual wear pattern those riders have experienced is due to incomplete mixing of the tire ingredients? Whether there is a reduced quality control at some production centers?
At the price of quality motorcycle tire brands, a buyer should be able to rely on the represented quality, regardless of production center. Sadly, this appears to not be the case.
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I went with the TKC 80 yet again. Good thing too. Some maniac forced me off the road on a two lane off-ramp this morning. I guess they didn't see me or just didn't look when they changed from the inside lane to the outside where I was. The shoulder was half-paved the rest was dirt and I was going too fast too stay on the paved part. I hit the dirt and downshifted fast through the gears with moderate front braking and came to a totally controlled stop in short order from about 55 mph. I really think if I had street tires I would have bitten the dust big time.
Yay knobbies!
Yay knobbies!
Ive had the Shinkos on for 5k miles. Ready for fresh rubber. Thinking Angel GT's.
Ultimately, Shinkos were a bad decision. I got them because I live off a gravel road. In reality, they didny help anything. They just hindered road performance. They've not been bad but really lacking in agility and the nimble nature of the Hyper. Never really needed the tread because the gravel roads are still roads and not trails or off road. The Angel GT stats fit my expectations but im curious about riding reviews. I thought my Scorpiom Trails were pretty snappy on turn in. Its this is miss most, secondly is confidence in a tire that will hold you all the way over.
Ultimately, Shinkos were a bad decision. I got them because I live off a gravel road. In reality, they didny help anything. They just hindered road performance. They've not been bad but really lacking in agility and the nimble nature of the Hyper. Never really needed the tread because the gravel roads are still roads and not trails or off road. The Angel GT stats fit my expectations but im curious about riding reviews. I thought my Scorpiom Trails were pretty snappy on turn in. Its this is miss most, secondly is confidence in a tire that will hold you all the way over.
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I have a set of PR5's waiting to be installed. I'm at about 5K miles on my PR3's and the center tread is nearly gone (mostly high speed hwy commute for last 2K miles).
I thought the Scorpion's were really good until I got the PR3's on. I could slide the Trail's powering out of turns pretty easily - which was fun - and the PR3's just stick.
I went with the 5's because many of the roads I normally ride in Italy are very slick, especially the on/ off ramps. They can feel like ice when it's dry and worse in the rain. I needed a tire that supports my hooligan nature but is confident in the rain.
I thought the Scorpion's were really good until I got the PR3's on. I could slide the Trail's powering out of turns pretty easily - which was fun - and the PR3's just stick.
I went with the 5's because many of the roads I normally ride in Italy are very slick, especially the on/ off ramps. They can feel like ice when it's dry and worse in the rain. I needed a tire that supports my hooligan nature but is confident in the rain.
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I have a set of Angel GTs on my SP and I really like them. I previously had them on my 821 and didn't feel as confident on them. I haven't checked as that bike is stuck in dealership limbo while Ducati figures out why it drops into limp mode randomly at some starts, but I suspect I may have gotten the heavier duty version of the Angel which is meant for bigger bikes which reduced the feedback I was getting.
On the current bike I've really been happy with these tires, they can eat miles and show very little wear for doing it. They have 3600 or so on them now and aside from a little flat spot from too much time spent riding in straight lines they look great and I'm reasonably confident I'll get another 4 - 5k out of them. I've had no qualms diving into corners with them and the only time they got loose on the ride was a section of road with lots of thickly applied tar snakes on a 100+ degree day, I suspect I'd have had the same experience with any tire.
On the current bike I've really been happy with these tires, they can eat miles and show very little wear for doing it. They have 3600 or so on them now and aside from a little flat spot from too much time spent riding in straight lines they look great and I'm reasonably confident I'll get another 4 - 5k out of them. I've had no qualms diving into corners with them and the only time they got loose on the ride was a section of road with lots of thickly applied tar snakes on a 100+ degree day, I suspect I'd have had the same experience with any tire.
why GT
I'm curious as to why you chose the GT version which I believe is intended for heavier ST bikes. I haven't run Angels in a few years but really liked the way my old ST2 handled with them. Seem to remember the bike turned in very easily and the edge grip was pretty darned good.
I've been running Bridgestone 030s and now 031s the last few years on both my HS and the RT. They seem to be a pretty good combination of value and performance, at least for me!
I'm curious as to why you chose the GT version which I believe is intended for heavier ST bikes. I haven't run Angels in a few years but really liked the way my old ST2 handled with them. Seem to remember the bike turned in very easily and the edge grip was pretty darned good.
I've been running Bridgestone 030s and now 031s the last few years on both my HS and the RT. They seem to be a pretty good combination of value and performance, at least for me!
You're mistaken there. The angel GT is the standard tire, the angel GT a-spec is for heavy bikes.
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The sipes on the PR5's get bigger as they wear...Hoooowhat! I tried to break my Dunlop fan-boy run but just didn't like what I read. Either big compromises or made for bigger touring bikes. I wish I could buy much sportier rubber but the roads around Naples are dangerous when dry. The center compound is very robust on the PR5's, since I'm finally experiencing the all-highway flat spot.
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I finally ordered the Roadtec 01 after using up my Angel GTs.
My bad, getting my Bridgestone nomenclature confused with that of the Pirelli. Old guy moment! Looking forward to Roadtec reviews.
I,ve seen a some reviews that put the roadtec above the Michelin pilot. So far with 500 miles the tires feel great.
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Ditto on the Roadtec 01. It's a huge upgrade from stock tires, to the point where I initially wondered, while on mountain roads, if I was going under the speed limit... I was not, the tires are that good.
No word from me on tread life but a few people have reported good mileage.
No word from me on tread life but a few people have reported good mileage.
Hey everyone, I just mounted a set of Metzler Roadtec 01 tires and on my 2013 HyperStrada 821. My bike had about 5,000 miles on the original Pirelli Scorpion Trail tires. They had plenty of tread left and probably could have gone another 1,000 +.
My first ride was a 260 mile hot, dry day that included lots of twisties. Of course, I wasn't pushing new tires and came home with .75 in chicken strips... However, my first impression relative to the still serviceable stock Pirelli tires was that the Roadtecs did indeed turn in quicker and did allow quick, confident midturn corrections. The roadtecs felt nimble compared to the stock tires but also a bit harsh. The tires seem really hard/stiff. I'm 180 pounds and my HS is pretty naked... So, overall a pretty light combo for touring tires these days. I was wondering if anyone else has experienced roughness on roadtecs. I dialed down my rear dampener a bit to compensate for the harsher ride. I'm hoping the harshness goes away with more mileage but am a bit worried that the roadtecs are just designed for heavier bikes.
Please let me know your experience on the RT 01s!
Thx!
My first ride was a 260 mile hot, dry day that included lots of twisties. Of course, I wasn't pushing new tires and came home with .75 in chicken strips... However, my first impression relative to the still serviceable stock Pirelli tires was that the Roadtecs did indeed turn in quicker and did allow quick, confident midturn corrections. The roadtecs felt nimble compared to the stock tires but also a bit harsh. The tires seem really hard/stiff. I'm 180 pounds and my HS is pretty naked... So, overall a pretty light combo for touring tires these days. I was wondering if anyone else has experienced roughness on roadtecs. I dialed down my rear dampener a bit to compensate for the harsher ride. I'm hoping the harshness goes away with more mileage but am a bit worried that the roadtecs are just designed for heavier bikes.
Please let me know your experience on the RT 01s!
Thx!
