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Engine replacement

Joined Dec 2012
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Nelson,BC
My '13 HS has about 82,000m and very low compression(less than 100PSI on both Horizontal and Vertical cylinders). The cost of new rings, valves, guides, etc plus the labour would be prohibitive...but a replacement lower mileage engine that would drop in is within reason. My question is, does anybody know if the 821 engine out of a 2018 Monster would work? I'm assuming most 13-15 Hyperstrada or Hypermotard engines would fit.

TIA
Colin
 
There was a difference in electronics between the monster and the hyper. I'm sure that every sensor location is interchangable. Some of the hyper 821 uses the new oil pump cast into the case as opposed to the old design. Late 2015 the hyper got the cast oil plump location. The hyper single sided swingarm is a direct swap on the monster 821 so if you swap all sensors and everything I am very confident that the m821 will fit the hyper.
 
Out of interest, how do you do a compression test on an engine without a mechanical link to the throttle bodies? On bowden-cable-throttle engines, people often got low psi readings because they didn't hold the throttle open to the stop and turn the motor over for long enough.

Nick
 
How much disassembly is required? I've all but pulled the motor out but unaware if you can pull it out with all the cases on. Guess you'd be disassembling much of the frame braces and subframe.

Have you investigated a 939? Probably plenty of those from totaled Motards and there wasn't serious design changes when that debuted.
 
The bike is in an independent Ducati shop in Calgary who I trust.

The backstory-I had problems with the bike in 2019(it wouldn't start)and it sat at a now defunct Ducati dealer in Kelowna BC for about 3 months without any progress being made. I retrieved the bike and got it to the shop in Calgary with whom I had dealt with in the past and who had done good, but expensive, work or me in the past on my ST2. The Calgary shop had it running within a couple of days and found that the Kelowna shop were either incompetent or fraudulent in the work they claimed to have done(I eventually received basically a full refund from the Kelowna shop). Anyways, the Calgary shop found the compression was low but not dangerously so, I think it was around 110-120 on both cylinders(this is at about 70,000km). After a full on service the bike ran like a top for the last month of the 2019 season and in 2020 until the beginning of September when all of a sudden it wouldn't start. It would start and run for about 1 second then shut itself down, the display reading engine error. I went through few simple things I could think of then eventually phoned the Calgary shop who finally got the bike in February.

I'm not sure how they do the compression test but I'm confident they're competent and trustworthy, the main mechanic has over 30 years experience with Ducati and was a full on shop until about 2008. I've been down the engine rebuild route before and know how expensive that can be, especially i one has to pay someone to do the work!

I'm competent to do most of the routine maintenance and a bit more on some older bikes but the electronics and 4V Duc motors are above my pay grade. I suppose if it was a straight on swap I might be able to do it but it would not be a fast process, not o mention I no longer have the space where I could do that kind of work. On my 2nd ST2 I did actually pull the engine to have an engine mount welded but that was a much simpler bike.

There are used 821 and 939 motors out there but unfortunately most are in the US. There's a 2013 HM engine with 40,000 miles on it and apparently good compression about 200 miles from the Calgary shop. Oh yeah, just for the record I am about half way between Calgary and Vancouver, roughly 400 miles from each.
I'm hoping to talk to the mechanic today and see what he thinks. A straight swap with an identical engine would, in my mind, be the easiest and most cost effective route.
 
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st2cmack:
Colin, possibly? Just a virtual handshake here from another suspect in the ST gang! Do you still have the ST2? My ST4 retains it's place of honour in the garage and is the bike for genuine travel, but the 'Strada is more exciting!
Cheers,
NickW in UK
 
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the rear head on the monster engine has a mounting point which the hyper does not use. it may cause fitment issues. best to use the hypermotard 821 motor to avoid problems! Engine case do not need to come off. bike will need to be diasemble a fair bit. at least the following will have to come off. : Gas tank, Air Box, Rear Swing Arm, Radiator Assembly, Disconnect all connectors from motor. Just off the top of my head.
 
st2cmack:
Colin, possibly? Just a virtual handshake here from another suspect in the ST gang! Do you still have the ST2? My ST4 retains it's place of honour in the garage and is the bike for genuine travel, but the 'Strada is more exciting!
Cheers,
NickW in UK

Haven't been to this forum in ages cause I no longer have the HS. Nick, you'll laugh, I traded the dead HS and $500cdn for a well tuned and aaccessorized 03 ST2 with only 31,500km on the odometer. I still have my original ST2(now a rolling chassis) as a parts bike. I also had a Showa rear shock with less than 15,000km so swapped that out for the crummy unadjustable Sachs on the 03. Also the braided steel hydraulic lines. This coming winter I'm going to rebuild the front showa shocks off the '98 and move them onto the '03. Needless to say, I still really like my ST2's!
 
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If my engine went south, I think I'd be doing what you're doing and I'd powder coat my frame red line the motards while I had it apart, best of luck...
 
Meant to say, "If my engine went south, I think I'd be doing what you're doing and I'd powder coat my frame red like the motards while I had it apart, best of luck..."

Damn spell check... :-/
 
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