New Front Fork Cartridge Options

Ducati996s · Feb 11, 2019

Curious as to who has tried any of the multiple fork cartridge options that are out now for the Hyperstrada at this time. Appears there are some good options available such as Mupo, Traxxion, Matris and of course the Andreani kit.
I have a 2015 Strada and feel that the front forks are the first thing I need to fix but would like to hear about any experience with some of the above options. Mainly interested in small to medium bump compliance as the roads here are just horrid.
Any reviews good or bad?
I did read the suspension thread and saw the RSL/Mupo review and some early Andreani stuff but anyone try the Traxxion or Matris options?

kuksul08 · Feb 11, 2019

I've heard great feedback about Andreani and Mupo both. You probably can't go wrong with either one.

gatdammit · Feb 11, 2019

All are huge improvement. Andreani is affordable and great for normal street/ adventure use. Mupo are custom sprung to rider. Can't comment on other brands but just know the stock tubes are crap.

RSL · Feb 12, 2019

Forks only?

Araitim · Feb 12, 2019

Andreani are also custom spring to rider weight.

Ducati996s · Feb 12, 2019

I would say that its hard to knock the pricing for the Andreani units as Ducati of Omaha wants 3x the price for the Mupo kit.
Quick look current pricing from "reputable" dealers
Andreani @ 600
Matris @ 750
Traxxion @ 1100
Mupo @ 1500
@ RSL, I hear you on the advice of doing the front and rear and will do that if I find a deal on a shock. Perhaps you want to sell me your front and rear setup?
The forks literally feel like the first third of this fork is not even working. I am a front end rider and they bug me to the point that I don't even notice the rear. In fact, if I get the forks working well I will solid mount the bars and eliminate the dampers to get more of the feel that my 996S has.
What spring rates have you guys settled on for your kits?

MartyGarrison · Feb 12, 2019

I have the Mupo K911's which were their most expensive carts. Not sure if I needed to go this high end but they sure made a dramatic difference. The stock forks hitting any type of rough roads, potholes would throw me offline.

Ducati996s · Feb 12, 2019

Those are absolutely beautiful!

appliance821 · Feb 13, 2019

Ducati996s said:
I would say that its hard to knock the pricing for the Andreani units as Ducati of Omaha wants 3x the price for the Mupo kit.
Quick look current pricing from "reputable" dealers
Andreani @ 600
Matris @ 750
Traxxion @ 1100
Mupo @ 1500
@ RSL, I hear you on the advice of doing the front and rear and will do that if I find a deal on a shock. Perhaps you want to sell me your front and rear setup?
The forks literally feel like the first third of this fork is not even working. I am a front end rider and they bug me to the point that I don't even notice the rear. In fact, if I get the forks working well I will solid mount the bars and eliminate the dampers to get more of the feel that my 996S has.
What spring rates have you guys settled on for your kits?

Mupo makes a single fork insert that is about $570. https://www.lemickracing.com/shop/r...ridge-kit-ducati-hyperstrada-821-13-15-detail

I ran into a guy who had it and he said it transformed his bike. The plus is that you don't have to deal with the other fork, which I understand is very difficult to tear down. I may do this this year as after 30k plus hard miles I think the bike is due something in the suspension area.

I may also have traxxion rebuild/revalve the rear shock.

All told this will come to something like $1100.00

Bones302 · Feb 14, 2019

appliance821 said:
Mupo makes a single fork insert that is about $570. https://www.lemickracing.com/shop/r...ridge-kit-ducati-hyperstrada-821-13-15-detail

I ran into a guy who had it and he said it transformed his bike. The plus is that you don't have to deal with the other fork, which I understand is very difficult to tear down. I may do this this year as after 30k plus hard miles I think the bike is due something in the suspension area.

I may also have traxxion rebuild/revalve the rear shock.

All told this will come to something like $1100.00

interesting, does anyone have an opinion which would be a better insert, the Mupo or Andreani?

Araitim · Feb 14, 2019

Bones302 said:
interesting, does anyone have an opinion which would be a better insert, the Mupo or Andreani?

I have the Andreani kit. Paid $479 shipped from Bellissimoto.com during their Christmas sale. For the price j woyld say they are THE best bang for the buck. You order them and specify your weight and intended riding purpose and they send you the appropriate spring rate. My kit took over a month to get and they came with the wrong springs(ordered on Thanksgiving and recieved around Christmas). After going g through many internet searches I discovered they had the wrong spring rate. I finally recieved the correct spring rate about a month ago. The bike feels so much more controlled and planted. It doesn't buck you when you hit a series of bumps anymore. I still need to address the rear. According to the importer of Andreani, the prices are about to change on their kits the didnt say for sure but they implied that they were going down. All that being said, I would definitely recomend this kit but if you order from Bellissimoto expect to wait. He made things right in the end but now I have a 2nd order in (boot insoles and a t shirt, both said they were in stock) and I have yet to see them. Placed order 1/18/2019 and still says processing. The work needed on the fork tube is not that dificult if you are handy in the garage you can do it. Many (including myself) used a hole saw and a 4x4 to make the tool that holds the fork tube while unthreading it from the lower. As for the "machining" of the grub screw, you tap a star bit into the grub screw and back it out then pick up a new grub screw. There are a few detailed videos that show exactly what I'm explaining, even then 4x4 tool

appliance821 · Feb 14, 2019

Araitim said:
I have the Andreani kit. Paid $479 shipped from Bellissimoto.com during their Christmas sale. For the price j woyld say they are THE best bang for the buck. You order them and specify your weight and intended riding purpose and they send you the appropriate spring rate. My kit took over a month to get and they came with the wrong springs(ordered on Thanksgiving and recieved around Christmas). After going g through many internet searches I discovered they had the wrong spring rate. I finally recieved the correct spring rate about a month ago. The bike feels so much more controlled and planted. It doesn't buck you when you hit a series of bumps anymore. I still need to address the rear. According to the importer of Andreani, the prices are about to change on their kits the didnt say for sure but they implied that they were going down. All that being said, I would definitely recomend this kit but if you order from Bellissimoto expect to wait. He made things right in the end but now I have a 2nd order in (boot insoles and a t shirt, both said they were in stock) and I have yet to see them. Placed order 1/18/2019 and still says processing. The work needed on the fork tube is not that dificult if you are handy in the garage you can do it. Many (including myself) used a hole saw and a 4x4 to make the tool that holds the fork tube while unthreading it from the lower. As for the "machining" of the grub screw, you tap a star bit into the grub screw and back it out then pick up a new grub screw. There are a few detailed videos that show exactly what I'm explaining, even then 4x4 tool

Could you post a link to those vids. Thanks

Araitim · Feb 14, 2019

appliance821 said:
Could you post a link to those vids. Thanks

There are a few links on this forum. Here is one of them. We just covered it in detail when 2 or 3 of us just did the swap on the Ducati Hypermotard/Hyperstrada Owners North America Facebook group. Many pics and videos. The hardest part is removing an odd insert inside the inner chrome tube. Some say they cut the center out, some say they hammered it out. It is actually threaded in and you can make a tool to do this using a thick piece of metal and a cut off wheel or band saw.

http://hyperstrada.com/mechanical-technical/829-andreani-install-how-went.html

gatdammit · Feb 15, 2019

Embarrassing question: do all fully adjustable front forks use the same P/C/R adjustment setups? My Andreani's aren't labeled and I can't find a manual or labeled diagram anywhere on the web.

appliance821 · Feb 15, 2019

Araitim said:
There are a few links on this forum. Here is one of them. We just covered it in detail when 2 or 3 of us just did the swap on the Ducati Hypermotard/Hyperstrada Owners North America Facebook group. Many pics and videos. The hardest part is removing an odd insert inside the inner chrome tube. Some say they cut the center out, some say they hammered it out. It is actually threaded in and you can make a tool to do this using a thick piece of metal and a cut off wheel or band saw.

http://hyperstrada.com/mechanical-technical/829-andreani-install-how-went.html

Thanks - reviewed the thread some time ago. I'l check out the facebook page. I'll probably go with the single cartridge Mupo, so all I probably have to do on the other fork is remove the guts.

Araitim · Feb 15, 2019

gatdammit said:
Embarrassing question: do all fully adjustable front forks use the same P/C/R adjustment setups? My Andreani's aren't labeled and I can't find a manual or labeled diagram anywhere on the web.

Left is rebound, right is compression. And both gold are preload on my Andreani . Notice the small lettering next to the center screw. Also, you cant see the preload lines on these, you must count the turns in after backing them out all the way.

BadToTheBown · Feb 16, 2019

Although I've not tried the Andreani kit, I doubt it is better than anything Mupo, however, bang for the buck, I have to say it's the Andreani...I personally think my Mupo is better than all of the Ohlins I've had., top shelf really..

Then there's the stupid expensive full upgrade (both forks) some of us went with that requires you to have one of the lower fork fitting machined to add a real cartridge to the other fork, then there's TiN or DLC coating the lower tubes, etc., etc., like I said, stupid expensive but I have to say it transformed the bike...

Based on what so many on here have said about the improvement from the one side Andreani upgrade for the money, you should at least try that first...rear shock isn't bad but that can be easily improved upon as well but now we're getting back to stupid expensive...you see this is a slippy slope...I'm a suspension junkie, so I should not be giving advice....

:-/

Araitim · Feb 17, 2019

K-tech makes some cartridges as well but they arent talked about as much and are expensive. It's my understand that many of the high end suspension tuners can provide you with custom(and or) better valving for for any of the kits you get. I'm not sure where race tech sits on peoples lists of quality but I remember reading that they offer valves for anything. But if you get that deep into the suspension worm hole you are trying to make the bike compete outside it's intended purpose and will have a disadvantage because of that. Its possible to be competitive on the track with one, I believe BadToTheBrown does this, but I'm sure he would admit there are better options for a track bike.
I'm curious how difficult it would be to swap out some high end MX forks. That might be cheaper and possibly perform better for hooligan riding/daily riding. I believe here is in the process of putting the 1100 fork on the 821/939.
https://www.orientexpress.com/p-21260-k-tech-suspension-25ssk-ids-fork-cartridges.aspx

zippy49 · Feb 17, 2019

I'm pretty happy with the revalving in the front done by Race Tech and the stock rear shock, except for one thing. That's the "freeway hop" I get at anything over 60-ish when I'm on the slab. If I had to ride it on those surfaces a lot I would go after that next, but most of my riding is on back roads.

I did put a set of Andreanis on my 390 Duke, and they seemed really stiff. I've sold that bike, so didn't get into changing the spring rate.

BadToTheBown · Feb 17, 2019

Araitim said:
...how difficult it would be to swap out some high end MX forks. That might be cheaper and possibly perform better for hooligan riding/daily riding. I believe here is in the process of putting the 1100 fork on the 821/939.https://www.orientexpress.com/p-21260-k-tech-suspension-25ssk-ids-fork-cartridges.aspx

I looked into doing this between the HS and HM 821/939 and it's not as easy as one would suspect, primary problem appears to be fork length of HS forks (shorter)...HM 1100 forks look like they have a similar problem (good forks but too long for HS, probably right for HM) which is what led me to follow in RSL's foot steps and upgrade my forks as I did not want the extra inseam of the HM suspension...if someone can figure out a good swap option, I personally think that would be best if you could go bigger with the tubes/trees, the HMs look easier for such a swap, at least to me, also, MX forks ARE LONG and our HSs are shorter...

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