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Brake Noise

Interim update: the dealer called and says the tech advised the brake noise is normal so I asked what is causing it then? Why did it only start at 600 miles? why is it not there on the demo? He couldn't answer. I won't accept a "just coz" answer, If you want me to live with it I want to know whats causing it and why it can't be resolved.
The pulsating brakes (abs on or off) however are a problem and they've asked Ducati what to do, they think a rotor change, I asked about brake pad change too and they said they may use the same brake pads. If this is the case I'll but some new EBC HH and fit myself.And on we go.
 
They swapped out my rotors for first trouble shoot. I was optimistic as it was updated part # and bike was very good...for about 600 miles. Right back to where I started, minus the squeal.

My dealer wants a very detailed description. You can't escape the suck of each normal stop. Is that detailed enough? I like my shop, but he was playing defense saying he had to really work to feel the pulsating...horsecrap. I basically engine brake and ride the rear brake to avoid looking like a clown. Seriously, it feels like my front wheel is oval shaped below 15 mph.
 
gatdammit said:
GuyW, noise is not a problem. I could give a shat about a little squeal. Maybe you didn't read the entire thread but some of us are having compound issues. I have a noticeable warp point that makes stop and go driving not very enjoyable. If they all rode this way, so be it. But when the demo rides like my bike did for the first 800 miles, there's an issue.
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Ok, I get that. It is difficult to see how the rotors could actually warp under such light use. Did you check them with a runout gauge ? It could be pad material building up on the rotors which would be fixed if you swapped pads. May have to clean the disks somehow.

Is see this on the interweb: http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/3/prweb9337881.htm
http://www.braketech.com/index.php?...age-instructions&catid=17:tech-talk&Itemid=69

Probably overkill for a new bike but indicates that this is not an uncommon problem.

Considering all the grief you are suffering, maybe it is worth just sticking some EBC pads in to see if the problem goes away ? Maybe a light goin gover with a wire brush to clean the gunk off ?
 
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GuyW said:
Considering all the grief you are suffering, maybe it is worth just sticking some EBC pads in to see if the problem goes away ? Maybe a light goin gover with a wire brush to clean the gunk off ?
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I haven't had problems as severe as others in this thread. But over the last few hundred miles or so, I've started noticing the groaning and some light vibration under heavy braking. I went at the rotors with a can of brake cleaner and a mild Scotchbrite pad and it's immediately all gone. There was a surprising amount of gunk on the rotors. Didn't touch the pads, but assuming the noise returns once the rotors dirty up again, I'm gonna change to the EBCs.
 
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GuyW said:
Considering all the grief you are suffering, maybe it is worth just sticking some EBC pads in to see if the problem goes away ? Maybe a light goin gover with a wire brush to clean the gunk off ?
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I know I sound like a bitter old man, but I shouldn't have to buy new pads to fix a new bike. I can't really gauge if this is a wide-spanning production defect but when you just go out and buy new pads, Ducati will be very slow to realize and correct the situation.
 
gatdammit said:
I know I sound like a bitter old man, but I shouldn't have to buy new pads to fix a new bike. I can't really gauge if this is a wide-spanning production defect but when you just go out and buy new pads, Ducati will be very slow to realize and correct the situation.
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I understand where your coming from. Shouldn't happen and Ducati should fix it period.
Can I just say though.
I have seen some interesting threads on another forum that some owners of new mutley's have had a very similar issue, some saying that a vibration through the brake, some have put it down to material/compound build up on the disc surface, whilst others have just cleaned the disc with grit paper, others have fitted new/different pads and this has cured the fault. They have even mentioned cleaning the buttons.
I'd say it reading all the comments that this issue isn't just related to the Hyper, my money is the pad material is the same and its ***** on both bikes.
I haven't put enough miles on mine yet and haven't had a problem. If I do happen to experience this fault though i will defo know for sure what the cause is and will report back.
 
Latest Update: Service Manager called and advised Ducati approved the change in rotors but only if they are out of spec and the "buttons" are clean and the bike is in good condition. WTF Ducati?, it only has 1700 miles, washed after every ride and those buttons are locked solid, your lousy design, not mine. So I wait to find if they will change both or none or one of the rotors and if they will change pads or not. At least the SM is keeping me up to date. and away we go again - weeeeee. :rolleyes:
 
Just called the dealer and he has no idea when or if the bike will be fixed. He says he is waiting on Ducati Area manager authorizing the tests and even if this does happen and it is the rotors, it will be another week before the parts arrive and then fitting and testing and this MAY not fix the issue.
I've sent a mail to Ducati, no bike for maybe 3 weeks and no restitution offered. :mad:
 
Hello folks!

So it's seems to be a wide spread problem or what? I had the same noise as many as already described while riding through urban areas. Also, the breaking was not smooth like if the disk hads been warped or had 'hot spots'. I got he bike for barely over a month so far and so decided to stop by the dealership and had one of their guys taking it for a road test. Verdict; New discs and calipers brakes are required to be replaced.

There is also on more detail that came to mind thinking about how the bike was when I got it delivered. The bike was insanely hard to move around (engine off). But I didn't not know the bike and it was brand new. So what do I know? I therefore thought it was normal to have the calipers so tight one the discs. After three weeks of usage it has become a lot easier to move the bike around though the brakes remained effective. Minus the noise of course. Now with a few step back I suspect that the calipers where in facts way too much in contact with the discs and with this continuous friction on the disc while riding has heated the discs enough and warped them. The gas consumption also confirm the theory has my first rides where consuming has much as twice the normal rate and over time the average consumption improved.
 
NewRider,

Very good possibility. I'm one of the owners with bad warpage and already had a set of rotors replaced. This would make sense as my new set feel just as warped as before but I would have burned through a fair amount of pad material, no?

Were the rotors same stock part?

I hit the rotors with brake cleaner and a scotch brite pad with no results.
 
The dealer just called, Ducati area manager and some other Ducati flunky advised the bike is within spec and they will NOT change or cover anything. They said they use an aggressive brake pad and this is one of the results. Oh and I'm in the hole for $148 for inspection etc.
So I've ordered the EBC HH pads to see if this helps and dammit I've ordered a crap load o farkles which I may not now install if I sell the bike (keep yer eyes on the classifieds for deals just in case)
I'm disappointed in Ducati and more importantly disappointed with this bike. Think I'll take a look at the KTM SMT or one of the Triumph machines.
 
twozzie said:
The dealer just called, Ducati area manager and some other Ducati flunky advised the bike is within spec and they will NOT change or cover anything. They said they use an aggressive brake pad and this is one of the results. Oh and I'm in the hole for $148 for inspection etc.
So I've ordered the EBC HH pads to see if this helps and dammit I've ordered a crap load o farkles which I may not now install if I sell the bike (keep yer eyes on the classifieds for deals just in case)
I'm disappointed in Ducati and more importantly disappointed with this bike. Think I'll take a look at the KTM SMT or one of the Triumph machines.
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Nice service manager agreed I shouldn't pay for a crappy front end so he waived the fee but I still gotta fit the new pads, wait till they bed in and see if the noices and shudder re-appears.
 
gatdammit said:
NewRider,

Very good possibility. I'm one of the owners with bad warpage and already had a set of rotors replaced. This would make sense as my new set feel just as warped as before but I would have burned through a fair amount of pad material, no?
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Darn, I was hopping that the rotor replacement would sort this. Anyway the dealer still haven't called me back for the replacement. If the replacement is bilable then: F it I'm not interested into paying in something that will be scrap within few weeks.

gatdammit said:
Were the rotors same stock part?

I hit the rotors with brake cleaner and a scotch brite pad with no results.
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Do you mean brand new? If so the answer is affirmative.
 
gatdammit said:
I hit the rotors with brake cleaner and a scotch brite pad with no results.
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When I wash my bike I generally (quite thoroughly and every week) wash the bakes pads with a paint brush and some soapy water (no disassembly) and guess what? The breaking feels even, smooth for a few days and the noise goes away until around the fifth day when the brakes are (I guess) becoming saturated with pads and rotors abrasion dust. I've now realized this for a second week in a row. I'll keep you guys in touch with this experiment.

I have the impression that these brake cleaner are kinda bs.
 
NewRider, when they replaced my rotors they told me Ducati had actually changed part #'s. I don't know if this means they actually changed manufacture, model, etc.
 
New EBC HH pads fitted and the brake shudder is still there - sigh. Gonna speak to the dealer again and see what gives.
 
FWIW, 3500 miles and never any brake problems. I did break them in gently, and rarely use the rear brake as engine compression is good enough most of the time. I'm with my2sons, you guys are making me paranoid!

I had a 900 Triumph long enough to wear out the OEM rotors. I tried some 'wave' Galfers, and they chattered so badly that I replaced them with OEM. Tried cleaning the pads, calipers and rotors; finally called the vendor and was told not to use brake cleaner on them!

Not one of my favorite brands any more....:(
 

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